GB News

I do have to take issue with the assertion that both Fox & MSNBC manufacture stories based on flimsy facts. This is a misnomer, based on the false idea that both sides are as bad as the other. There's a whole world of difference between what MSNBC does, and what Fox does.

Fox, routinely source stories from sources such as CNS, which is a subsidiary of the ultra-Conservative Media Research Center. Media Bias/Fact Check states that CNS has an extreme right wing bias. Additionally, it gives it a Low rating when it comes to factual reporting due to promtion of propaganda, and due to the fact that it routinely makes up stories that have no actual basis in fact. And Fox consider CNS to be one of their trusted sources.

MSNBC on the other hand, source stories from places like Associated Press, which the same site rates as Least Biased, with a very minor Centre-Left bias, and a Very High rating on factual reporting, with "proper sources" and a clean fact check record.

How both Fox and MSNBC handle their sourced material is very similar, with a heavy reliance on talking heads doing analysis, although MSNBC does do more reporting than Fox, but it's still a minority of the content overall.

I would say that while both MSNBC and Fox News have a mixed rating for factual reporting on the same site, I'd point out that there's a world of difference between MSNBC's mixed rating, which is supported by NBC News's generally high rating on factual accuracy, that a Fox News mixed rating, which seems to be bordering on the Low category, and the site admits is borderline Questionable, a claim they do not make for MSNBC.

Also, Fox seems to be borderline extreme right at times, where as MSNBC comes across as being more moderate-left than actual left wing, again it's pretty borderline, helped in no small measure by NBC News being more Centre-Left.

GB News at the moment, seems to be aiming more Moderate-Right to Right Wing from what we can tell, but there's no website, or social media at the moment to back that idea up, but it will be interesting to see how far they go.

Given Discovery's involvement, I was assuming they'd be adding to the tally of news channels based in Chiswick Park.

Correction: They used to use other wire services, and even footage from Fox affiliates. They haven't actually used reputable wire services for a number of years now, rather famously ending their deal with AP back in 2012, instead relying mainly on CNS, other similar right wing sources, and their own limited reporting base. Most Fox affiliates no longer supply Fox News Channel with any material, and haven't done since about 2008. Incidentally, Fox Business is quite different in that regard, as they do use most of the reputable business wire services, like Bloomberg & Reuters. Fox News, not so much. They used to, back when their straight news coverage was actually half decent. But not anymore.



But it's not. Fox News is based on right wing propaganda. MSNBC is based on actual reporting. There is no equivalence, unless you consider right wing propaganda to have the same value as actual reporting, which I do not.





To keep costs down they will undoubtedly use a lot of talking heads, but I would imagine that the daytime hours, will be more news led, rather that exclusively talking heads. They will probably do a "Fox & Friends" style breakfast show, and the more talent led stuff will probably kick in no later than 5pm, but in between will probably be more like a news channel.

"Both sides are just as bad" will be the last words spoken when our planet succumbs to the increasingly inevitable environmental catastrophe which could have so easily been avoided.

The last words spoken by the last human just before he gets consumed by flames as the planet burns...

'but her emails'

I simply do not agree that the motivations and psychology of the left are the same, and I don't think MSNBC is doing the same kind of thing, they aren't making stuff up, they aren't distorting things a little bit to play psychological mindgames because people can do whatever they want now.

This is a entirely personal opinion, don't @ me, yadda yadda.

Agreed.

I find all three unwatchable, but you can’t deny it works for them ratings wise. Sadly CNN International has been dragged down too with so much content from the domestic channel. English language news; Al Jazeera English is head and shoulders above the competition for serious & impartial news.

Out of desperation I tuned into Al Jazeera on Sunday morning to escape the endless BBC/Sky treadmill of Trump/Covid/Trump/Covid/Trump/Covid.

Within the space of 25 mins there were five or six other stories of significance, none of them directly, if at all, connected with Covid or Trump

The thing about Al Jazeera English is that it not only has a serious tone and has a much broader agenda than other channels, it's actually quite basic straightforward television news - without gimmicks.

A lot of those who work on it, especially those at the start were ex BBC, Sky and ITN and therefore trained in the UK, so it got a very traditional British style.

TRT World is very similar, but then they basically emulated AJE, and poached a lot of its staff

What do people mean when they say as bad as each other? In practice?

Show me two opposing things from each side to demonstrate how they’re the same. Make the argument. Don’t just come out with cliches.

I’d be hard pushed to find anything that was done on a network like CNN or MSNBC that was in any way as bad as the kind of stuff Fox News have done. I’ll absolutely stand by that. The motivations and psychology aren’t the same, nor are the motivations and psychology of the audience.

They should put Psychology and critical thinking on the national curriculum.

Edit: sailing close to the wind here with what’s OK and not OK on the forum and I don’t like it. I’m ejecting from the thread.

Amazing how us plebs need to take a psychology and critical thinking course to see the truth (according to elmarko).

I have watched all three networks a lot over the last two months and they are all as bad as each other. I apologise profusely for not diarising my observations as do the rest of the great unwashed in this thead, probably

CNN and MSNBC don't appear as bad to you because of your confirmation bias, most likely.

Are you sure that you don't need the psychology and critical thinking course?

So you keep saying but you can't seem to get specific. What's your "just as bad" equivalent of Fox News' ingrained racism? It's denial of climate science?