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The not-live era. (September 2019)

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TM
ToasterMan
So, I've been re-watching continuity from the 1983-87 era of CITV, which was notorious for having pre-recorded announcements filmed in London, (from Thames?), despite the fact Central was in charge of the transmission.

One thing I've been curious about is how the links to Central's own programmes varied, take, for example, this link with Bonnie Langford into the original broadcast of the Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends stories, Thomas & the Guard and Thomas Goes Fishing, where the announcement has her staring into a corner of the studio for a solid three seconds!


However, I've watched the links to the first six stories, (introduced as double features), with, coincidentally, Sergeant Major Zero from Gerry Anderson's latest production at the time, Terrahawks, (Thomas director David Mitton worked in the special FX department for Thunderbirds and Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons), and the links there here are very seamless:


So, is it safe to say the links to Central's own programmes were as inconsistent in transitioning to the shows produced by the other ITV franchises at the time, especially as they all came from separate transmitters?
Last edited by ToasterMan on 10 September 2019 9:51pm - 5 times in total
BU
buster
I’d forgotten about those little intervals in the middle of the Thomas double bills. No wonder that theme tune was so well remembered, you heard it 4 times in ten minutes!
TM
ToasterMan
I’d forgotten about those little intervals in the middle of the Thomas double bills. No wonder that theme tune was so well remembered, you heard it 4 times in ten minutes!

I wonder if Britt Allcroft and David Mitton suggested the idea for the first Terrahawks announcement to Central, as they were the ITV franchise attached to the first two series.

Note at the end, Captain Major Zero says: "Take it away, boys..." which seems to be a clear reference to Mike O' Donnell and Junior Campbell, the series' composers, it seems like everyone knew just how successful the series would be.
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Amber Avenger
I’d forgotten about those little intervals in the middle of the Thomas double bills. No wonder that theme tune was so well remembered, you heard it 4 times in ten minutes!


Not only on the broadcasts, but I had a couple of official VHS releases that kept the "intervals" in as well. I always really liked them, although yes it is a bit odd now you think about it
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Were the CITV links filmed at the Molinaire facilities house in this era? The looking into space thing was common to all links in case the incoming programme was delayed, as an alternative to doing the frightened rabbit look down the barrel.
JA
james-2001
I had it in my head Thomas was Thames rather than Central, I clearly misremembered that.
TM
ToasterMan
I had it in my head Thomas was Thames rather than Central, I clearly misremembered that.

Well, Thames did offer their post-production facilities for Series 3, which was the final series broadcast on CITV until Series 6 in 2003.
JA
james-2001
I wasn't actually aware Thomas had been off CITV for years! Though it's not a show I paid massive attention to at the time anyway.
:-(
A former member
So 18 series has been made since it left ITV? Ch5 has been milking this.
SC
Si-Co
Regarding the “dead air” before the show starts (when Bonnie is staring at her “tv”), it didn’t make much difference whether the programme about to start was from Central or another company. If the timing was lousy, there would be an awkward gap. Central were basically playing a VT of the pre-recorded announcement and then mixing to the programme which was either on another VT or coming in as an outside source. Because the continuity wasn’t live, there was no way for the presenter to fill that gap. A live announcer would see (and/or hear) the countdown to the next event and adjust the delivery of his/her link accordingly.

It was worse when the programme failed to run for any reason. The presenter could be left staring gormlessly at the camera or the “imaginary telly” for 30 seconds or so before Central or the local station put up an apology caption. This was possibly one of the reasons they went live in the end - so it felt more real. In the later non-live years the links ended with an animation on screen, which could be sat on for a few seconds if necessary and disguised the hiccup to some extent.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
I thought the common wisdom was that the main driver for CITV going to live continuity was the introduction of the same on the BBC?
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Inspector Sands
Were the CITV links filmed at the Molinaire facilities house in this era?

Yep, here's one of their Christmas tapes which has some of the outtakes from the Children's ITV links
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