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End of the road for UTV?

This is my last post here (almost certainly) Thanks to Asa for all the hard work over the years. I'm posting here one last time so I can ask this question.

Could any of us have ever thought that the UTV name would last longer than TV Forum? Shocked
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End of the road for UTV?

I noticed that in the introduction to the latest episode of Eamonn Mallie: Face to Face with on Thursday, the announcer said "Now here on ITV..."

Previously, from what I've seen of regional announcements recently (since local continuity was axed), they've tended to avoid references to the channel name, and usually just said things like "Now it's...", and this is the first time I've heard a verbal reference to ITV in a regional announcement.


Logically you could say it's deliberate and they're easing in the ITV name, but announcements for UTV are so inaccurate and poor that's it's probably just another sloppy link.
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RTÉ to Cease Broadcasting on DAB

Personally I think that the Irish commercial sector decided to stifle competition by keeping radio on FM, so that some of these stations could keep their rural fiefdoms where they're stuck in the 80s.

While Ireland has a DTT service, the fact that Virgin Media won't pay for HD for their three channels on that platform is once again stifling competition.


To be fair, they're not stuck in the 80's, it's more the late 90's. There is a difference, no one in their right mind would want to be stuck in Ireland in the 80's.

Also many of these local stations have figures that any UK station would kill for. A load of them have a daily market share of over 40% of listenership, Highland Radio in Donegal has 66.6%. Shocked

Now anytime I've been in the Highland Radio franchise area I've done band scans and you can get DAB in a lot of the area and BBC Radio on FM, as well as the Irish National Stations. There's plenty of choice in lots of Donegal but they still end up listening to Highland Radio.

The best way to know if a station is popular in an area (in Ireland) is to see what station is playing in Corner shops, the two that tend to be on when I'm travelling around (pre-Covid) are the Local stations and RTE Gold.
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Virgin Media Ireland to sell its TV stake?

When I was last in Dublin about 18 months ago, on the way back to the Airport passing all the houses I saw, I did not see one rooftop aerial on any house. I only clocked a couple of satellite/Sky dishes. I guessed cable penetration in Dublin was very high.


When I was a student in Dublin in the early '90s, all the Uni people from Dublin had Cable at home. Every flat or house I lived in had it. I did have a black and white Set with an Aerial and the Signal from RTE in Dublin was perfect (unlike down the country,) Many cable operations down the country provided a better RTE signal as well. I remember being in a Hotel in Cork on my Holidays in the 80's and they had BBC and HTV via the Community Deflector Service. The BBC 1 and HTV picture was better than RTE 1 and 2! (BBC 2 was the weakest of the 5)
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RTÉ to Cease Broadcasting on DAB

There was a sweet point for DAB probably 10 years ago, If you had a DAB up and running at that stage, you could probably build a platform that would last decades. However, in the last 10 years it's become easier and easier to listen to your own choice in music via the internet.

I would think the majority of people in Ireland are happy with what they can receive on FM. There is a minority (myself included) that would like more choice but that's available on my phone... I've 2 phones (not that unusual at this stage) I listen to hours of Radio on my personal phone. I've unlimited Calls/Data for 9.99 a month and almost unlimited choice from radio stations around the world. DAB can't compete with that. I also have DAB radio's that haven't been used in years.
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ITV Programming Thread

Jonwo posted:

I’d say, during its time, LWT only meant London Weekend to people that lived in London. For everyone else it meant shiny floor entertainment & big shows. Also, no different to Fremantle using the Thames brand.

I personally think using the old established brand names is much more effective than new labels (in situations where it is appropriate).

The Thames brand is now more associated with entertainment rather than drama, comedy or factual as those were transferred to the other Fremantle labels 9 years ago.

Yeah....
So Thames works as brand still. No reason that LWT would be less meaningful brand than say Lifted. L


Lifted is one of those here today, gone tomorrow brands.

How about a compromise, Lifted Worldwide Television (LWT) Very Happy
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Virgin Media Ireland to sell its TV stake?

rdd posted:
rdd posted:
Not quite nowhere else. We discussed recently about Switzerland which has all of the above and Channel 5 too, which isn’t available in Ireland. And some domestic U.K. channels are available in Belgium and Holland.

Channel 5 is available in Ireland, via satellite to be more precise!


That is true. But free to air satellite users are a minority, if a bigger one than was the case some time ago. It’s not available on any pay TV platform. If you’ve Sky, you can use manual tuning, but I count 23 button presses (on Sky Q) to get to the channel selection screen alone! And you can’t record. In other words you’d want to really want to watch the particular programme on to go to that trouble. Last programme I watched via manual tuning was Quiz on ITV, which is a good while ago.


I'd suggest that there are a lot more watching Channel 5 in Ireland than most of us think, There's a reason it's still listed in most TV Guides and Newspapers in Ireland. (Including the RTE Guide.)

It's also the case that there are about 40% of homes at this stage that don't have traditional paid TV in Ireland, of those about 8% only have Saorview. Now this figure is growing every day, there's less and less reason to pay SKY for their TV package when all the main UK stations are free to air off satellite or Freeview and all the ones that might have tempted people onto the SKY platform seem to have gone free to air in recent years (Dave, Sky Arts, etc)

I know a lot of these people and most of them have UK EPG's on their TV's (using a Belfast postcode) or Sky boxes. Some top-up their SKY viewing with half-price deals from NOW TV, None of these people watch VMTV. They will turn over to the Saorview box for RTE Stuff, but they're not watching VMTV. The main reason being the picture quality is awful It's a lot worse than SD on the main Satellite Stations.

Before the current situation, I would visit elderly relatives in Nursing Homes, you'd often see ITV on the TV's in the Sitting rooms.

It would be interesting to see if Saorview was turned off for a month and then we looked at viewing figures for Irish stations. I would think that with the exception of RTE1, the rest would lose more than 2/3's of their audience immediately. When you look at the figures the 8% of Saorview only homes could be providing more than half of all regular Irish TV viewers.

I can actually see how they would be happy to get rid of VMTV at this point, it will be nothing but a drain on finances for decades to come if they hold onto it. It's an easy win for someone in Corporate, Increase profits by just getting rid of the TV stations.
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Virgin Media Ireland to sell its TV stake?

Ok we're ruling out ITV buying, but what about STV buying it?

I'd say a simple no, there must be one thousand other Media enterprises that would be more attractive than VMTV.
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Virgin Media Ireland to sell its TV stake?

rdd posted:
They are HD on Sky, eir, and Vodafone.

Saorview is an issue, but essentially the problem there is a rate card that makes it uneconomical for anyone but the ultimate owner of Saorview to put their channels in HD.


It may or may not be the case that the rate card makes it uneconomical, (depends on what side you talk to). TV3 never tried that hard to change the situation. Until Digital Switchover about 15% of the country couldn't get it because they wouldn't pay for smaller fill-in transmitters so it has form for this sort of thing. It currently suits Virgin Media's cable television operation not to have a good picture on Saorview.

TV3/Virgin Media has always been a Dublin focused Station, it doesn't seem to care too much about anyone outside the capital. That was one of the refreshing things about UTV Ireland. It's News service covered stories from around the country, unlike TV3 news at the time which covered Dublin and one press release story from Cork. To be fair they have gotten better but it's still not great.
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Virgin Media Ireland to sell its TV stake?

I don't think ITV would go near it at this time. ITV programmes will always have a market in Ireland but it's not a profitable place to run a TV station. It's better for them for someone to buy the rights to their programmes (like Virgin Media have done) and make a profit from sales.

What you could see if someone else bought the station is a better use of ITV programmes, and following the ITV schedule rather than trying to reinvent the wheel.

For example, Virgin Media stopped showing This Morning (which got into its weekly top 20 programmes quite a lot at one point) You'd have to assume they thought they could keep the audience with extra Ireland AM and a cheap version of Loose Women, and save a load of money at the same time. Now, most of their Home-made stuff (Ireland AM, Elaine) had audiences roughly at the same level as Pages from Aertel on RTE Network 2 in the early 90's. Obviously, Audiences collapsed. 65% of the country still has access to UTV/ITV. They went off watching This Morning there. Most of the rest of the audience scattered all over the place.

This Morning returned a few months later. The Audiences have recovered but not to the same levels. This has been an ongoing problem with the station. Poor Scheduling of ITV programmes even when they have the rights.

When they did get back This Morning, they were showing it Live on Virgin Media One, It was repeated on Virgin Media Two that afternoon and then was shown again at Midnight on Virgin Media Three!
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Virgin Media Ireland to sell its TV stake?

Unless the new owners want to pay the name licensing rights to Sir Richard Beardie's empire - a regress back to TV3 is probably on the cards.

The test would be to head out of the major towns or cities, and into the High Street of Ballysleepy and ask, "On your tv in channel order, you have RTE One, RTE Two and then..?" And even today, I bet most people would still go "TV3".

Be interested to see who throws their hat into the ring, if any sale is forthcoming, any time soon.


Who in their right mind would buy it? It was a Vanity purchase by John Malone at the time (who has a habit of buying anything Irish that's for sale it seems) The station has never made a profit, if you count written off loans and other debts, it had lost up to 250 million euro in the first 18 years of it's existence The only time that it seemed to be going somewhere was when Granada was involved about 15 years ago.

Since It Became Virgin Media Television viewing figures haven't gone up, and none of their home produced programmes do well with the honourable exceptions of content made by their News department. Sports do okay but it seems they'll be losing a lot of their rights in the next year or two. Sports should do a lot better for them, but a lack of HD on Saorview is a major problem, especially when There are HD pictures often available from ITV or BBC.
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RTÉ to Cease Broadcasting on DAB



Seems like a downgrade. Was DAB not successful in Ireland?


8% in total listen to Radio on a Digital Device in Ireland but as only 1-2% of the population listen to Radio using DAB, you'd have to say no. However, there are various reasons for this including a limited amount of transmitters, No commercial backing as such from the independent sector, and a lack of promotion of the service by RTE.

You'll still be able to get all the RTE stations on Saorview, the main 4 stations that have major listenership on FM, the RTE 1 LW service will broadcast some of RTE Radio 1 Extra so 98% of RTE listeners won't even notice. The exception would be RTE Gold, but most people that would listen to that station do so via the internet or Saorview.

I would suspect that RTE's Digital stations have a low enough audience. (that includes RTE Gold) I've never seen actual figures for them.