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Zero ratings for S4C programming

(March 2010)

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BP
bpmikey
The problem is that in south wales, digital TV only airs channel 4, meaning that whenever anyone wants to watch S4C, they have to switch to analogue which will become increasingly hard to do. Its the same with regional news. Although BBC broadcasts BBC wales on channels like number 800 (standard freeview) ITV news shows The West Country Today.
BR
Brekkie
There Is absolutely a need for S4C - and a need for it to now be separate from C4 - but there is clearly a problem to be fixed too.

I'm surprised that Sgorio is again quoted as one of these "zero" rated programmes considering it was always considered to be one of the stations most popular shows.
DV
DVB Cornwall
The problem is that in south wales, digital TV only airs channel 4, meaning that whenever anyone wants to watch S4C, they have to switch to analogue which will become increasingly hard to do. Its the same with regional news. Although BBC broadcasts BBC wales on channels like number 800 (standard freeview) ITV news shows The West Country Today.


Every transmitter in Wales will from 1st April 2010 carry both Ch4 and S4C on the PSB2/D3&4 Mux.
MI
Michael
The problem is that in south wales, digital TV only airs channel 4, meaning that whenever anyone wants to watch S4C, they have to switch to analogue which will become increasingly hard to do. Its the same with regional news. Although BBC broadcasts BBC wales on channels like number 800 (standard freeview) ITV news shows The West Country Today.


Er, Bluff.

I have had Freeview since 2003. S4C is on 4, Channel 4 is on 8. Aerial pointed at Wenvoe. BBC does not broadcast on 800, that is your box putting the LESS powerful signal you are receiving (probably from Wenvoe as it sounds as if your aerial is pointing at Mendip) there. You are probably receiving strong signals from ITV West rather than Wales, which means you won't get S4C or S4C2, you'll receive 24/7 QVC instead (I believe)
MI
Michael
I do wish that with Wales completely digital by the end of the month, that channel 4 is put on channel 4. S4C is only so called because of the valuable fourth channel space in the early 80s requiring it to replace channel 4. Now, there is no need for it to be called channel 4 wales - it can go on any channel number.


S4C has just as much right over the number 4 position on any EPG / lineup as Channel 4....moreso in fact as it is the older of the two channels.

One could just as convincingly argue that Channel 4 is now just an (outdated) name, and there is no need for it to be called as such.

On the other hand, DVB viewers in Wales have been used to having C4 on 8 for 8 years now, so why change it now?
RE
Revitt
S4C has just as much right over the number 4 position on any EPG / lineup as Channel 4....moreso in fact as it is the older of the two channels.


What, older by less than 24 hours? It is silly having a channel that no one round here can understand in between ITV1 and five.
NG
noggin Founding member
It's a pity that Freeview isn't as clever as Freesat in some respects - that way you could have simple channel mapping for English and Welsh speakers (swapping 4 and 8 around?) - a bit like the way Freesat postcode maps your correct(ish) BBC One and ITV1 regions and BBC Two nations?
NW
nwtv2003
It's a pity that Freeview isn't as clever as Freesat in some respects - that way you could have simple channel mapping for English and Welsh speakers (swapping 4 and 8 around?) - a bit like the way Freesat postcode maps your correct(ish) BBC One and ITV1 regions and BBC Two nations?


Apparently there's a Philips STB available that requires you to enter your postcode which helps the tuner find the correct channels for your area, which helps in parts of the North West as in some areas its very easy to pick up DTT from the Moel-Y Parc transmitter, whose frequencies are before Winter Hill in the 21-68 UHF spectrum.
MI
Michael
S4C has just as much right over the number 4 position on any EPG / lineup as Channel 4....moreso in fact as it is the older of the two channels.


What, older by less than 24 hours?


Yep. Older is older.

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It is silly having a channel that no one round here can understand in between ITV1 and five.


Met everyone in your transmission area have you? And besides, there are parts of ITV1 and Five that I can barely understand at times; usually when Loose Women or Live from Studio Five are on....
RE
Revitt
Michael posted:
Met everyone in your transmission area have you?...


Never met anyone who can understand it.

Quote:
Yep. Older is older.


That is hardly a convincing argument is it?
MI
Michael
Michael posted:
Met everyone in your transmission area have you?...

Never met anyone who can understand it.


Very simple. Rygbi = rugby, ambiwlans = ambulance, tren = train, tacsi = taxi, bws = bus and Stadiwm Y Mileniwm = Millennium Stadium.

Quote:
Yep. Older is older.

Quote:
That is hardly a convincing argument is it?


Well maybe I shouldn't have been so flippant, but S4C has been using position 4 on people's tellies in Wales for 24 hours longer than Channel 4 has in England, so in a slighly contrived way, it has more right over it.
RD
rdd Founding member
Both have a value which is worth more than their audience infers. The next Government will need to sort out the provision of Irish language programming in Northern Ireland in accordance with the Good Friday Agreement too,


TG4 is an all-Ireland channel, available in NI, so I think it's already covered.


Not post DSO it's not. There are possibilities that a seventh mux may be provided to carry a number of Irish services into the province.


Don't mention the war!

The Government had announced that it had reached understanding with the British Government that there would be reciphrocal arrangements for Irish services to be available in Northern Ireland and Northern Ireland services to be available in the Republic. No sooner did announce this than Chorus NTL and Sky both kicked up a fuss with the usual "no one will subscribe to pay-TV any more if the BBC is free" and within a few days the MOU and press release had been altered so that Northern Ireland viewers would receive ROI services for free, but people in the Republic would have to continue to pay for NI services!

To be fair we have always paid and I know there is an element in the UK that opposes any non-licence fee payer getting access to UK services. I guess its looked upon differently in Ireland in that its not a question of people abroad not paying the licence fee, but of Irish people abroad having access to RTÉ which people regard as an "entitlement".

Oh, forgot the obligatary linky...

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/Boost+for+Irish+Language+Broadcasting.htm

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