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Brekkie32,043 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today
X Factor though dipping after Cowell went to the US still stayed quite strong in 2011 and 2012, but Sam Bailey killed its credibility in 2013 and Cowell returning hindered rather than helped it in 2014, and it was the panel changes in 2014/15 which killed it really.

Strictly just became alot more inclusive in the years from 2010 or so. It used to be very much in it's own world and quite stuffy but they've loosened up over the years and cast much wider than in the early years, plus though they'd never admit it Brucie leaving helped it flourish and I think losing Len probably helped too. They also recast the judges on technical merit rather than just a name, something Cowell would never do as he obviously wouldn't want to give a platform to the next Simon Cowell.
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Brekkie32,043 posts since 4 Jan 2003
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Genuine question, Brekkie: how did Sam Bailey kill its credibility?

She's of the Pop Idol karaoke mould, the rush an album out for Mothers Day kind of artist compared to the very credible acts of Little Mix winning in 2011 and James Arthur in 2012 (plus Ella Henderson having success too), which seems to be steering the show in a more credible individual artist direction rather than just looking for a half decent singer.


The same thing happened after the 2017 series which had practically weekly original performances from Raksu and Grace, yet 2018 seemed to be back to looking for people who could sing Abba one week, Motown the next.


I do think if the show returns properly next year they need to look at the American Idol revival and how they just took the bloated elements out and essentially went back to basics. Have felt for a while the shows middle stages, which used to be it's strength, have actually become a problem, and they need to get from auditions to live shows quicker. The Six Chair Challenge has certainly had it's time (again, credibility killed because the judges didn't follow the rules and kept bringing people back etc.) and personally think Judges Houses is tired as well. I'd go right back to basics for a middle stage really and take inspiration from BGT and Pop Idol before that and just have a live heat for each category and have the public select the 3/4 to move on to the live shows.
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DJ Dave1,887 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Granada North West Today
I did think this BGT the champions would have been better, it's soft the way the public can't vote (I know it's not live) but everyone was kicking off about that the first week on twitter.

For me x factor just got boring probably like you say after James Arthur and Little Mix. I always liked pop idol when that was around.
Whataday10,134 posts since 13 Sep 2001
HTV Wales Wales Today
It's probably fairer to say Sam Bailey WINNING harmed its credibility. There have always been live finalists of her ilk, including Mary Byrne in 2010.

Although I think they handled Sam Bailey's career badly after she won. She should have had her own variety specials (like Jane McDonald & Friends). She had a brilliant voice and was very likeable.
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Brekkie32,043 posts since 4 Jan 2003
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Will be interesting to see if she's on All Stars - think she's on record as wanting to do it but really if they're going after showcasing their credible and memorable acts I'm not sure Cowell would want to remind the public that she won it, however good a singer she is.
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ben.anderson50 posts since 9 Mar 2015
Anglia (East) Look East
The whole American Idol refresh on ABC I think is something The X Factor team needs to look closely at. They know the show will never be as big as it was (those ratings aren't there anymore) it has a sleek production, gets decent'ish ratings and the show knows what it wants to be. The X Factor is just a total mess; we now get errors on the live shows, we had that crazy six chair filming last year were the camera work was just awful. People want a more 'homely' show now. If they bring back the civilian version stick with the same judges Simon, Nicole, Louis (don't make them the main focus), drop the six chairs, double eliminations and Wembley final madness (impressive as the start, bigger is not always better now). Focus on sleek production, a format not too long or too short. I think Room Auditions, Bootcamp (I like how they did in 2007 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOKgNw52hOc&t=875s) and then live shows. I love Bootcamp at a stately home, how they used to do it.
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VMPhil9,848 posts since 31 Mar 2005
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Maybe it’s just me but I always thought the 'downfall' of The X Factor happened with the 2011 series when the line-up of judges was substantially changed, including the loss of Simon Cowell. Gary Barlow was poor replacement for the 'nasty judge' position and the show just felt less important than it had in the past. Of course, compared to now it was still a massively successful series (despite the drop in ratings from 2010) and the winners are probably the most successful in X Factor history, but for me that series as a whole lost something compared to the previous years and I stopped paying much attention to it after that.
Brekkie32,043 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today
I personally think the downfall was more when Cowell returned in 2014/15, but having the judging panel change annually from 2010 to 2016 really harmed the show, whilst BGT thrived from having a consistent panel since 2012.
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