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and what will seem odd about todays television in 2027? (September 2007)

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A former member
I am not saying the words should be removed.

Rather, that using the historical argument as an excuse is bogus. This kind of language reflects the everyday vernacular, and therefore I see no reason whatsoever why that should not be replicated in drama -- as long as it's in context.

Both LYN and GH were in the correct context of the way people are. Therefore, no offence can possibly be caused.

Release the discs, without warning. If people complain, tough. It'll be PG anyway, so what's the problem?
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tvarksouthwest
Erm...Grange Hill, PG? Shocked
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Well, yeah, it was a gritty and realistic drama, and only an irresponsible parent would allow their four-year-old to watch without guidance.

Hence, parental guidance.

If not, then there's your problem!

Unless you mean it should be more than a PG, in which case I say BS. It's a kid's show!!
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saturdaymorning
davidlees posted:
A couple more examples of 1980s things you wouldn't see in 2007...

Pat Butcher says 'Paki' - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u4oL_xHzG3g

The character of Pat (and society) has changed so much that its probably realistic that she doesn't use this kind of language in 2007. I believe some characters would still use racist lanuage like this though. In 2007 even when Eastenders is dealing with racism they don't use any real racist words.

Tom Jones notices an increase in Arabs - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aqUanKOSpYk

I don't think its racist to notice and comment on an increase of Arabs in Britain but I bet Tom Jones wouldn't say that in 2007. His media advisers would make sure he didn't.

Smoking is another one. Will scenes from Coronation Street and Eastenders that show someone smoking look as out of place as clips of people smoking on chat shows and even the 1979 election coverage does today? Even in 2007, if a soap character is seen smoking then you can be sure there is a smoking story line coming up, no one smokes just because thats what they do. I bet old clips of people smoking in pubs will look strange in a few years too.


2 words.OLD CARTOONS.They're always being edited.Especially if Disney's involved.And 4kids changes Pokemon to erase japanese stuff.

All the cigarettes will probably be edited into drinking straws and they'll paste drink cartons over the smoke. Laughing
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saturdaymorning
tvarksouthwest posted:
The whole issue of racist expressions in archive TV is an interesting one. I personally cannot justify re-editing classic sitcoms to suit modern sensitivities - not only is that artistically disrepectful to the programme but it also hides the fact this was how people behaved at the time. There's no reason why a pre-programme announcement can't warn people the following programme contains expressions "you may find offensive". Rebroadcasting an old sitcom in its original form does not mean the use of certain words is condoned.

Grange Hill Series 1 is shortly due for DVD release and several fans have expressed concern ep 9 will be edited because Trisha and Benny use the terms "nig-nog" and "honky" in a scene where they talk about the problems which have caused them to bunk off. I think the solution would be simple - before the episode starts, broadcast a text caption (maybe even with spoken announcement) worded as follows:

"The following programme was first shown in 1978. It contains a racially perjorative term, which, while in common use at the time, is widely recognised as unacceptable now. BBC Worldwide apologises in advance for any offence this may cause."


Or after they say it have someone pop up and go"You can't copy what they're saying!It's a racist term!"

Mind you that wouldn't be popular either. Smile
DA
David
saturdaymorning posted:
2 words.OLD CARTOONS.They're always being edited.Especially if Disney's involved.And 4kids changes Pokemon to erase japanese stuff.

All the cigarettes will probably be edited into drinking straws and they'll paste drink cartons over the smoke. Laughing


And how long until drinking straws and drinking cartons are removed because they are bad for kid's teeth and cause obesity?

Old cartoons...

Wilma Flintstone says 'boll ocks' (or 'bollox')...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fuCbrPzPLAc

Fred and Barney have a smoke...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FqdTBDkUEEQ
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Spencer
One area over which attitudes appear to have changed fairly recently is that of insults relating to gypsies.

In the DVD release of Series 1 of Bottom (which was first broadcast in 1991), I was surprised to hear that Richie's insult of 'thieving gyppo' has been changed to 'thieving yobbo'.
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DrCheese
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The whole issue of racist expressions in archive TV is an interesting one. I personally cannot justify re-editing classic sitcoms to suit modern sensitivities - not only is that artistically disrepectful to the programme but it also hides the fact this was how people behaved at the time. There's no reason why a pre-programme announcement can't warn people the following programme contains expressions "you may find offensive". Rebroadcasting an old sitcom in its original form does not mean the use of certain words is condoned.


No kidding. They don't edit old books to remove any racist terms so why is TV any different. Its wrong when you start to edit history. I thought it incredibly stupid when they recently started to remove the smoking from Tom and Jerry.
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Roger Mellie
davidlees posted:
A couple more examples of 1980s things you wouldn't see in 2007...

Pat Butcher says 'Paki' - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u4oL_xHzG3g


Bernard Manning got away with telling Pakki jokes on Parkinson in the 1970s, with Parky laughing hysterically at them-- would he do that now were Bernard Manning still alive? I think not some how Laughing
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stevek
kids were treated worse in tv dramas, if some child was abducted for example they would be were tied up and gagged, now a child would be just lock in a room unrestrained.

more people are offended by inuendo than before, you can'f even say a fat person is fat without it being offensive, they have to be obese
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Gavin Scott Founding member
saturdaymorning posted:
All the cigarettes will probably be edited into drinking straws and they'll paste drink cartons over the smoke. Laughing


http://www.gorillaenterprises.co.uk/upload/uploadFiles/dot-smoke.jpg

Yeah, that'll work...
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A former member
yea be hard core

Smoke MILK Laughing

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