And they care about wrestling so much, the ratings have been sliding significantly, which would only get worse if it were bumped off to ITV4 (not exactly a great shop window for this planned tour).
Considering that even 5 years ago, getting 400,000 viewers on a Saturday afternoon for pro-wrestling would have been considered unachievable, what would you call a success? Viewing figures in the millions per chance?
And they care about wrestling so much, the ratings have been sliding significantly, which would only get worse if it were bumped off to ITV4 (not exactly a great shop window for this planned tour).
Considering that even 5 years ago, getting 400,000 viewers on a Saturday afternoon for pro-wrestling would have been considered unachievable, what would you call a success? Viewing figures in the millions per chance?
5 years ago, when the (then) TNA Impact was getting around 250,000 viewers on Challenge?
As strange an idea as this may be for you, I don't think the concept of major channels has a lot to do with how many people watch them, it's part of it, but it's not the whole of it. Also included in that idea would be things like how long has the channel been around, and BBC, ITV, and Channel 4 at least definitely win out here too, and how many platforms the channel is on, whether it's on Freeview or not, how much advertising does it do outside of its own channels, other factors like that. And lots of those do favour BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 to greater and lesser degrees.
But honestly, I think the concept of major channels is an outdated one. Previously, it was an unarguable thing. Now the very notion of major TV channels these days is questionable when so many people have access to so many viewing choices, be it through Freeview, Freesat, Sky, Cable or even online.
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Lots of things have been predicted to die, but mostly, its concepts that die. The concept of major channels is pretty much already dead out there in the world at large. People don't care much about channels, they care about programmes.
I would put everything I owned on betting that if Bodyguard had premiered on More4 (I know it's not their genre but they have pretty much the same level multi-platform of access as BBC One), it would get nowhere near 10 million viewers.
And they care about wrestling so much, the ratings have been sliding significantly, which would only get worse if it were bumped off to ITV4 (not exactly a great shop window for this planned tour).
Considering that even 5 years ago, getting 400,000 viewers on a Saturday afternoon for pro-wrestling would have been considered unachievable, what would you call a success? Viewing figures in the millions per chance?
5 years ago, when the (then) TNA Impact was getting around 250,000 viewers on Challenge?
Yes, because British professional wrestling at the time, was nowhere near as popular as it is now. At that point, 250,000 was about the maximum you could expect from pro-wrestling, that was the reasonable expectation. At that time, TNA was literally just about to start going downhill. Now British professional wrestling is outrating Impact and WWE here in the UK
Considering that even 5 years ago, getting 400,000 viewers on a Saturday afternoon for pro-wrestling would have been considered unachievable, what would you call a success? Viewing figures in the millions per chance?
Yes. Exactly that.
ITV are not going to be happy with 400,000 viewers regardless of what they might have got in the past. It's completely irrelevant that wrestling may have got even fewer viewers in the 90s.
You seem absolutely desperate to paint this ratings flop in a positive light and I have no idea why.
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Yes, because British professional wrestling at the time, was nowhere near as popular as it is now. At that point, 250,000 was about the maximum you could expect from pro-wrestling, that was the reasonable expectation. At that time, TNA was literally just about to start going downhill. Now British professional wrestling is outrating Impact and WWE here in the UK
That was 250,000 on
Challenge
. You can't compare that directly to anything on ITV.
You're making no sense.
If wrestling got 250,000 on Challenge, back when it wasn't very popular, and it now gets 400,000 on ITV when you claim it's far
more
popular, then ITV are doing something very, very wrong indeed.
Considering that even 5 years ago, getting 400,000 viewers on a Saturday afternoon for pro-wrestling would have been considered unachievable, what would you call a success? Viewing figures in the millions per chance?
Yes. Exactly that.
Then you're expecting way too much, it's as simple as that.
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ITV are not going to be happy with 400,000 viewers regardless of what they might have got in the past. It's completely irrelevant that wrestling may have got even fewer viewers in the 90s.
Well, if it had been on in the 90s, but it wasn't, cos it got cancelled in 1988.
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You seem absolutely desperate to paint this ratings flop in a positive light and I have no idea why.
Simple. It's an achievement. It's a starting point. To call it a flop is to be presenting a very over-simplistic view of the situation at best, and totally misleading at worst. Nobody in the pro-wrestling industry was expecting ratings in the millions. In fact there were no expectations with this, so 400k is a good start.
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Yes, because British professional wrestling at the time, was nowhere near as popular as it is now. At that point, 250,000 was about the maximum you could expect from pro-wrestling, that was the reasonable expectation. At that time, TNA was literally just about to start going downhill. Now British professional wrestling is outrating Impact and WWE here in the UK
That was 250,000 on
Challenge
. You can't compare that directly to anything on ITV.
You're making no sense.
If wrestling got 250,000 on Challenge, back when it wasn't very popular, and it now gets 400,000 on ITV when you claim it's far
more
popular, then ITV are doing something very, very wrong indeed.
It peaked at 268k, was around the 250k about 5 times overall in 2013, but went as low as 170k on a few occassions, so it fluctuated fairly wildly, and it wasn't just a case of starting high and dropping lower, the 268K performance was in August, whilst back in January it was hitting aroiund 210k, before dropping down to around 180k. But remember these were being aired in late prime-time, post 9pm. It was always going to draw decent numbers in that slot, on a channel that was available to everybody.
By contrast, WOS Wrestling is airing at around 5pm, much lower rated slot and still doing quite a bit better than a show that used to air in PrimeTime.
There are a few things that ITV are doing wrong here. The scheduling is off. It would be better served in a post-watershed slot, rather than late afternoon/early evening, but that's not likely to happen on ITV, so it would have to move to ITV4. Also, on a technical point, there's a lot more cutting between cameras than on other wrestling shows, and that's been noted by other viewers as a negative.
Oh, and one other thing to point out. You said...
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If wrestling got 250,000 on Challenge, back when it wasn't very popular, and it now gets 400,000 on ITV when you claim it's far more popular, then ITV are doing something very, very wrong indeed.
Not quite true. American wrestling got 250k, but British Wrestling is now getting 400k. There's a difference. North American wrestling is a different product, to British and European wrestling, which is also a different product to Japanese wrestling (aka Puroresu), which is also a different product to Mexican wrestling (aka Lucha Libre). It would be like calling Association Football, Rugby Football, American Football, and Aussie Rules Football all by the one name Football. Yes, they might all have Football in their official names, but they are all quite different.
5 years ago, when the (then) TNA Impact was getting around 250,000 viewers on Challenge?
Yes, because British professional wrestling at the time, was nowhere near as popular as it is now. At that point, 250,000 was about the maximum you could expect from pro-wrestling, that was the reasonable expectation. At that time, TNA was literally just about to start going downhill. Now British professional wrestling is outrating Impact and WWE here in the UK
Those are just the facts.
As popular as British Wrestling may be, those figures are not great for ITV. In July, Challenge had an average audience share of 0.62% whereas ITV's was 18.05%. 250,000 on Challenge is quite something. 400,000 on ITV is nothing. Those are just the facts.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to Doctor Who. Should be good.
5 years ago, when the (then) TNA Impact was getting around 250,000 viewers on Challenge?
Yes, because British professional wrestling at the time, was nowhere near as popular as it is now. At that point, 250,000 was about the maximum you could expect from pro-wrestling, that was the reasonable expectation. At that time, TNA was literally just about to start going downhill. Now British professional wrestling is outrating Impact and WWE here in the UK
Those are just the facts.
As popular as British Wrestling may be, those figures are not great for ITV. In July, Challenge had an average audience share of 0.62% whereas ITV's was 18.05%. 250,000 on Challenge is quite something. 400,000 on ITV is nothing. Those are just the facts.
WOS Wrestling is not and was never intended to be an immediate ratings getter. This is what most of you haven't caught onto. This is less about ratings, and more about business. WOS Wrestling can make money for ITV without having to be on screen. But this series has been an opportunity to promote pro-wrestling, and launch this upcoming tour, and then the process begins again.
It's a completely different model to something like Doctor Who, where BBC will only make money back from it on international sales, syndication and home video release.
Is there any chance that discussion about wrestling than be split from this thread. Everyone likes the odd tangent in a discussion, but this is getting a bit much now!
The next highest share of any other channel were the terrestrial operated, universally (or nearly) available ITV3 2.23%, ITV2 1.72% and Cbeebies 1.44%.
The most popular non-'terrestrial operated' service was next, and was Drama at 1.35%, beating E4 at 1.33%
Wow, Drama does very well. That's surprising, and I thought Dave was up there at the top
Is there any chance that discussion about wrestling than be split from this thread. Everyone likes the odd tangent in a discussion, but this is getting a bit much now!
Wow, it's been split now and it's three pages. Definitely a good call.
