That's right. Even if Scotland were to become independent it would still be served by the same media companies in London. Unless all of the current broadcasters were replaced by completely independent broadcasters such as a Channel 4 Scotland. Which would just be a complete waste of money for everybody concerned.
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GREAT BRITAIN is the result of the UNIFICATION of three old KINGDOMS: England, Wales and Scotland.
Wales is not a principality of England, it is a constituent country of Great Britain.
Great Britian is the union of England and Scotland (1701), the UK is the amalgamation of Great Britain and Ireland (1801). Wales has NEVER been a kingdom, and was subsumed into England by the Statute of Wales (1300), extract of which is below:
posted:
Edward, by the grace of God, king of England, lord of Ireland and duke of Aquitaine, to all his subjects of his land of Snowdon, greeting in the Lord. The Divine Providence, which is unerring in its own government, among the gifts of its dispensation, wherewith it hath vouchsafed to distinguish us and our realm of England, hath now of its favour, wholly and entirely transferred under our proper dominion, the land of Wales, with its inhabitants, heretofore subject unto us, in feudal right, all obstacles whatsoever ceasing; and hath annexed and united the same unto the crown of the aforesaid realm, as a member of the same body.
Alexia posted:
The USSR was exactly the same. The Ukraine, Estonia, Azerbajan, Uzbekistan etc. all were NATIONS, but not COUNTRIES because they were brought under the UNION of Soviet republics governed by Moscow.
The USA is exactly the same. The Nations pre-civil war had independent authorities and were considered countries in their own right until they were brought under the banner of the UNITED States.
The USSR was a federation of independent republics, albeit forcefully governed centrally from Moscow for most matters.
Wales has NEVER been a kingdom, and was subsumed into England.....
And before it was subsumed ?
It was a Principality with feudal obligations to the Kingdom of England since 899. There were some kings over certain areas of Wales (eg Rhodri, King of Gwynedd) but the whole of Wales was never a single Kingdom for any length of time, and nobody ever styled themselves as such with any true authority since their lands did not extend to cover the whole of Wales.
The exception could perhaps be Rhodri Mawr (844-878) whose authority did cover most of present day Wales for a very brief period.
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing me thinks"
Wales has NEVER been a kingdom, and was subsumed into England.....
And before it was subsumed ?
It was a Principality with feudal obligations to the Kingdom of England since 899. There were some Kings over certain areas of Wales (eg Rhodri, King of Gwynedd) but the whole of Wales was never a single Kingdom, and nobody ever styled themselves as such with any true authority since their lands did not extend to cover the whole of Wales.
And you only have to go back a few more centuries to find out that England was itself split into two kingdoms which didn't cover the whole of the country - Danelaw and Wessex. Same difference.
And you only have to go back a few more centuries to find out that England was itself split into two kingdoms which didn't cover the whole of the country - Danelaw and Wessex. Same difference.
Yes, indeed, and many more than just two before that. But there has been a unified Kingdom of England (and briefly republic) since that time.
PS: I edited my previous post having found someone who did actually call themselves "King of Wales", albeit accepting the overlordship of the King of England.
PS: I edited my previous post having found someone who did actually call themselves "King of Wales", albeit accepting the overlordship of the King of England.
Wales has NEVER been a kingdom, and was subsumed into England.....
And before it was subsumed ?
It was a Principality with feudal obligations to the Kingdom of England since 899. There were some kings over certain areas of Wales (eg Rhodri, King of Gwynedd) but the whole of Wales was never a single Kingdom for any length of time, and nobody ever styled themselves as such with any true authority since their lands did not extend to cover the whole of Wales.
The exception could perhaps be Rhodri Mawr (844-878) whose authority did cover most of present day Wales for a very brief period.
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing me thinks"
Well said Stuart, and quite correct. In fact Wales didn't have a 'capital' until 1952 when cardiff was given this title.
As a Yorkshireman now living in the Scottish 'Capital' the utter claptrap these Nationalists espouse is ridiculous. Just today, which wasn't technically a bank holiday, except that the banks shut, the nationalists were complaining that the BBC weren't going to produce a Scottish 6 O'clock news. As we live in a united kingdom why should they?
Nationalists are always one trick ponies. Alex Salmond bangs on about the oil revenue that Scotland has lost and........well nothing else really. So if he gets his way, just what is Scotland going to exist on? The oils on it's way out, the fish industry is buggered and do you really think that the Edinburgh based financial services industry is going to stay put to shore up his 'vision' of an independent Scotland? Isn't this how Hitler started out for his vision of Germany? What would he do with the roughly 400,000 'English' who live over the border? Ethnic cleansing?
It's the same with Wales. The nationalists stamped their feet in the seventies and now everything is bi-lingual. I work with a Welsh guy. He reckons about 4% of the population actually speaks the language fluently and frequently. Is this not a waste of time and resources? Maybe I ought to demand an entire channel about the Yorkshire dialect?
As Yorkshire has a higher population than Scotland, it's not such a bad idea.
I think it's about time for a UK football team and league system. That would iron out all the problems, me thinks. As for people being passionately Scots or Welsh, if this was framed some other way, in different circumstances, it would be classed as racism. O hear it at my place of work. "Oh the English (expletive deleted - thanks Nixon!).....". When I retort, I get "Yeah but you're a Yorkshireman, that's different."
Let's face it, we're in this together. It's a little island with a hell of a lot of people on it. If we all try to bury the petty differences and work together regardless of where we were born, it might just make it worthwhile.
I'm with both of you on this too! It's really making me cheesed off, hearing about England this and England that!
I just wish they kept their trap shut on the matter - but that's going to be hard to do, especially when Cowcaddens and Queen's Cross (Grampian) are attached to the blinking network.
Well you would think that SMG would have more sense and compile a trailer for the world Cup......as I have said I am NOT anti England and do wish them well ( and would go as far as to say like them to win - IF IT NOT FOR THE ENGLISH BIAS IN THE MEDIA ) but all this we, us, our team and the country only relates to England and NOT Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland!
STV can't opt out as the amount of opt out time was cut a coupel of years back, meaning we have to watch have the CRAP ITV throws out!
I remember Weekend telly beening good! instead of bloody millionare! Blame ITV for this!
Even if it were possible for SMG to peel out of their ITV Network Centre obligations, I doubt they would go to all the bother (i.e. expense) of providing their own commentary teams and studio presenters.
Along with the majority of Scots at the World Cup and European Championships, I adopt a neutral stance - for better or worse, we have a team of our own, and I don't see why I should have to be a "glory-hunter" by proxy, but with the attitude of the English commentators (and I include two - not employees of ITV, incidentally - who have very strong Scottish accents) this does make it very difficult to quietly sit on the fence.
Many Anglo-based Scots, as well as Westminster-based Scottish politicians, have piggy-backed onto the "England have already won the World Cup" show. First Minister Jack McConnell on the other hand has attracted a lot of abuse about his stance (will back anyone who is playing England), to, on the face of it, appear to go with the flow of current Scottish opinion, but when someone of his standing makes this type of statement, there has to be some sort of political agenda at the back of it.
I suspect his hidden motivation behind these views is to try and wrench control of broadcasting in Scotland for his own portfolio beyond the next round of Scottish elections. If this were to be the case (assuming he were to be successful in his aim), we would maybe see these OFCOM arrangements with ITV and SMG ripped to shreds, and, come the next European Championships, we maybe will be able to watch the event "through the eyes of a neutral" (can't see Scotland being there, I'm afraid).
I work with a Welsh guy. He reckons about 4% of the population actually speaks the language fluently and frequently. Is this not a waste of time and resources?
No.
Maybe I ought to demand an entire channel about the Yorkshire dialect?
Well, why don't you?
As for people being passionately Scots or Welsh, if this was framed some other way, in different circumstances, it would be classed as racism.
Absolute boll ocks.
Let's face it, we're in this together. It's a little island with a hell of a lot of people on it. If we all try to bury the petty differences and work together regardless of where we were born, it might just make it worthwhile.
You should try and live in South West Scotland and put up with English Border Television.Before some of you start ranting about the Scottish opt out don't bother.It was an after thought and has never been used properly.
The people of South Scotland have had to put up with English biased ITV for years.The worst time being Hogmanay when the rest of Scotland enjoyed more traditional tv aimed at Scots we were treated to New Years celebrations from London .Even Lookaround or ITV Border News is quite poor despite the special Scottish bulletins read by English Presenters.
GREAT BRITAIN is the result of the UNIFICATION of three old KINGDOMS: England, Wales and Scotland.
It's really making me cheesed off, hearing about England this and England that! 
- but that's going to be hard to do, especially when Cowcaddens and Queen's Cross (Grampian) are attached to the blinking network. 