Why should someone born in Wales or Scotland have free health care when someone in England does not, despite the fact we all pay the same level of taxes?
The question should surely be why don't the English get this treatment too?
You'll be very welcome up here when you're auld, jb.
Why should someone born in Wales or Scotland have free health care when someone in England does not, despite the fact we all pay the same level of taxes?
The question should surely be why don't the English get this treatment too?
You'll be very welcome up here when you're auld, jb.
Exactly - the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly did exactly the right thing for their people. So should we.
My point was that we still pay for a portion of these extra services when we derive zero benefit from it. Scottish and Welsh MPs have passed laws that apply to England that the English MPs voted against.
The English don't expect any gratitude generally about it - the UK is a team of four different nations working for the common good of all. It would be nice if that could be extended to things like supporting us in sport, like we do in return.
Of course, I am completely aware that there is a significant majority in both Wales and Scotland who want to maintain the Union.
The United Kingdom doesn't play football. England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland do. It's nothing to do with the UK.
Of course, the United Kingdom doesn't have a football team. However, the United Kingdom exists and comprises England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
The fact that the English support the likes of Andy Murray and the women's curling team is because England and Scotland are part of a united entity and have been so since the early 1700s.
Your blindness to this fact is a little surprising.
doctorvee posted:
Incidentally, the EU is also a political union, but that apparently doesn't stop England from "having difficulties" with Germany.
True, but the links between England and Scotland and the other nations of the UK are stronger and deeper than those of the EU.
Your blindness to this fact is a little surprising again.
doctorvee posted:
Also, the reason Scotland and Wales get more funding is because it is actually more expensive to run public services there due to the fact that it is far less densely populated. For instance, many more people who fall ill will have to travel by helicopter to a hospital many many miles away.
Plus the fact that the elderly get free stays in nursing homes, the £2,145 endowment for Scottish students at Scottish universities, free eye tests, free dental checks, free bus passes for the elderly (introduced much earlier in Scotland) - the list goes on.
Your argument, although to some extent true, tells far from the whole story.
Added to the fact that Scottish Labour MPs taking the party whip can enforce legislation on England by voting on issues that only affect us and have no effect on Scotland.
Again, you missed all this.
...none of which has anything to do with football!
Do you think that the rivalry between, for instance, Spurs and Arsenal fans, means that London should be split up? Or the Old Firm rivalry makes Glasgow a failed experiment? Rivalry is all part of football. Your blindness to this fact rather surprises me, you arrogant tosser.
Plus the fact that the elderly get free stays in nursing homes.....
Again, you missed all this.
You seem to have missed the fact that hordes of English retirees throng the costa geriatrica in N. Wales and elsewhere adding immensely to the health service burden in Wales. Perhaps we should tell them to go back to England for their healthcare , is that the type of argument you're seeking to develop ?
Perhaps if they got their free health care in England (for which they have paid all their lives), you may have a point.
Why should someone born in Wales or Scotland have free health care when someone in England does not, despite the fact we all pay the same level of taxes?
Perhaps you should try developing a cogent point before entering into an argument.
The point being that the elderly put a greater strain on the level of health care locally , one reason for a greater financial input and as your elderly down here are getting the benefit too what's the problem ? Don't forget the biggest portion of defence spending remains in England - a contribution to the local economy which does not show up in the same way as the other " subsidies " you refer to.
Anyway to get back to the soccer , you're out again- failing against a mixture of lacklustre sides - I would suggest it's down to sven's cr ap tactics , if you want my opinion.
The United Kingdom doesn't play football. England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland do. It's nothing to do with the UK.
Of course, the United Kingdom doesn't have a football team. However, the United Kingdom exists and comprises England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
The fact that the English support the likes of Andy Murray and the women's curling team is because England and Scotland are part of a united entity and have been so since the early 1700s.
Your blindness to this fact is a little surprising.
doctorvee posted:
Incidentally, the EU is also a political union, but that apparently doesn't stop England from "having difficulties" with Germany.
True, but the links between England and Scotland and the other nations of the UK are stronger and deeper than those of the EU.
Your blindness to this fact is a little surprising again.
doctorvee posted:
Also, the reason Scotland and Wales get more funding is because it is actually more expensive to run public services there due to the fact that it is far less densely populated. For instance, many more people who fall ill will have to travel by helicopter to a hospital many many miles away.
Plus the fact that the elderly get free stays in nursing homes, the £2,145 endowment for Scottish students at Scottish universities, free eye tests, free dental checks, free bus passes for the elderly (introduced much earlier in Scotland) - the list goes on.
Your argument, although to some extent true, tells far from the whole story.
Added to the fact that Scottish Labour MPs taking the party whip can enforce legislation on England by voting on issues that only affect us and have no effect on Scotland.
Again, you missed all this.
...none of which has anything to do with football!
Do you think that the rivalry between, for instance, Spurs and Arsenal fans, means that London should be split up? Or the Old Firm rivalry makes Glasgow a failed experiment? Rivalry is all part of football. Your blindness to this fact rather surprises me, you arrogant t****r.
but the rivalry between, for example, blues and villa, or newcastle and sunderland are mutual and stem from a desire for local dominance.
where as the "rivalry" between scotland and england is very much one way. the english do not hate or in any way dislike the scots in football or in general.
The United Kingdom doesn't play football. England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland do. It's nothing to do with the UK.
Of course, the United Kingdom doesn't have a football team. However, the United Kingdom exists and comprises England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
The fact that the English support the likes of Andy Murray and the women's curling team is because England and Scotland are part of a united entity and have been so since the early 1700s.
Your blindness to this fact is a little surprising.
doctorvee posted:
Incidentally, the EU is also a political union, but that apparently doesn't stop England from "having difficulties" with Germany.
True, but the links between England and Scotland and the other nations of the UK are stronger and deeper than those of the EU.
Your blindness to this fact is a little surprising again.
doctorvee posted:
Also, the reason Scotland and Wales get more funding is because it is actually more expensive to run public services there due to the fact that it is far less densely populated. For instance, many more people who fall ill will have to travel by helicopter to a hospital many many miles away.
Plus the fact that the elderly get free stays in nursing homes, the £2,145 endowment for Scottish students at Scottish universities, free eye tests, free dental checks, free bus passes for the elderly (introduced much earlier in Scotland) - the list goes on.
Your argument, although to some extent true, tells far from the whole story.
Added to the fact that Scottish Labour MPs taking the party whip can enforce legislation on England by voting on issues that only affect us and have no effect on Scotland.
Again, you missed all this.
...none of which has anything to do with football!
Do you think that the rivalry between, for instance, Spurs and Arsenal fans, means that London should be split up? Or the Old Firm rivalry makes Glasgow a failed experiment? Rivalry is all part of football. Your blindness to this fact rather surprises me, you arrogant t****r.
but the rivalry between, for example, blues and villa, or newcastle and sunderland are mutual and stem from a desire for local dominance.
where as the "rivalry" between scotland and england is very much one way. the english do not hate or in any way dislike the scots in football or in general.
Do you think the Germans are as interested in the rivalry between Germany and England as English people are? Then you will be mistaken.
The United Kingdom doesn't play football. England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland do. It's nothing to do with the UK.
Of course, the United Kingdom doesn't have a football team. However, the United Kingdom exists and comprises England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
The fact that the English support the likes of Andy Murray and the women's curling team is because England and Scotland are part of a united entity and have been so since the early 1700s.
Your blindness to this fact is a little surprising.
doctorvee posted:
Incidentally, the EU is also a political union, but that apparently doesn't stop England from "having difficulties" with Germany.
True, but the links between England and Scotland and the other nations of the UK are stronger and deeper than those of the EU.
Your blindness to this fact is a little surprising again.
doctorvee posted:
Also, the reason Scotland and Wales get more funding is because it is actually more expensive to run public services there due to the fact that it is far less densely populated. For instance, many more people who fall ill will have to travel by helicopter to a hospital many many miles away.
Plus the fact that the elderly get free stays in nursing homes, the £2,145 endowment for Scottish students at Scottish universities, free eye tests, free dental checks, free bus passes for the elderly (introduced much earlier in Scotland) - the list goes on.
Your argument, although to some extent true, tells far from the whole story.
Added to the fact that Scottish Labour MPs taking the party whip can enforce legislation on England by voting on issues that only affect us and have no effect on Scotland.
Again, you missed all this.
...none of which has anything to do with football!
Do you think that the rivalry between, for instance, Spurs and Arsenal fans, means that London should be split up? Or the Old Firm rivalry makes Glasgow a failed experiment? Rivalry is all part of football. Your blindness to this fact rather surprises me, you arrogant t****r.
but the rivalry between, for example, blues and villa, or newcastle and sunderland are mutual and stem from a desire for local dominance.
where as the "rivalry" between scotland and england is very much one way. the english do not hate or in any way dislike the scots in football or in general.
Do you think the Germans are as interested in the rivalry between Germany and England as English people are? Then you will be mistaken.
in my personal experience, i don't think the english rivalry with the germans extends to "i want who ever germany are playing to win"
in my personal experience, i don't think the english rivalry with the germans extends to "i want who ever germany are playing to win"
Have the Germans got nasty things about the English in their national anthem ? er like this :-
Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King!
in my personal experience, i don't think the english rivalry with the germans extends to "i want who ever germany are playing to win"
Have the Germans got nasty things about the English in their national anthem ? er like this :-
Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King!
in my personal experience, i don't think the english rivalry with the germans extends to "i want who ever germany are playing to win"
Have the Germans got nasty things about the English in their national anthem ? er like this :-
Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King!
But in any case the rest of us don't want it so you can have it , - " God save the queen " ? What do you think we are - a load of blo ody serfs like you lot ?
