after giving up with regional idents before the 6ish/7ish news during the world cup, i was surprised to hear this regional effort at 10.05. a specially recorded version without the "at ten oclock".
Here in the west we are having regional idents at 7pm, which seems a bit daft as there's no regional insert in the headlines. I didnt see what happened at 10.10 - im sure there would of been a regional ident though.
Part of the reason the scoreboard is so small appears to be to allow the red button options to be shown beside it on digital.
As for the scoreflashes - they are sponsored so that will be the major reason. But also not every country will have the time and score at the top left - the presentation standards of different countries are very different - so it's quite handy for the others.
Also, with the astons, viewers can see goalscorers, if they have just tuned in.
Some people on here are complaining about the size of the scorebar from a presentational point of view, but, from a football fan's view, the smaller, the better. No fan wants intrusive graphics, we want as much of the picture free as possible, and this is what the BBC has done, and successfully I believe. The score and clock can be seen with ease and it is for this reason that, IMHO, the BBC has done a fantastic job.
I don't understand is how the BBC are showing sponsors underneath their own yellow graphics during matches, I thought the BBC were licence fee funded!
The BBC are showing a sponsored event. The companies are not sponsoring the BBC's coverage. The BBC are therefore required to show the sponsorship credits (bearing in mind that, apart from appearance, the BBC graphics are still originated from the host broadcaster).
That would make sense, I am going to watch ZDF's coverage and the Beeb's together to see how the aston system works and just how synch there are, the pay broadcaster in Germany have adopted their own version of the graphics, so no point looking at them.
No need, just compare the BBC with UKTV G2. UKTV are using the Host broadcaster. They are totally in synch, to the point that when a sub is made the HBS graphic swaps the two players between top and bottom row, and the BBC graphic changes from one name to the other (both names are on display the whole time on the HBS graphic but change place, only one player at a time is shown on the BBC graphic, but the name changes as the location changes on the HBS graphic).
The question is, why the hell the BBC went to all that effort just to make it all look the same. Bloody waste of time if you ask me, and waste of money! Not as big a waste of money as Ian Wright of course!
It isn't such a massive waste of time and money as you are, to all intents and purposes, watching the same feed but with a different-looking front end. The data and the mixing are one and the same regardless of broadcaster. The system is called Remote Graphics Insertion Technology (there's an interesting bit about it here). The only real purpose of the BBC's decision to use RGIT is to put across its own brand instead of the tournament's (which I suppose is a debate in itself, though I quite like the BBC's way of doing things), although the system in theory allows for multi-lingual captions and the alteration of sponsorship captions (another debate in there about the BBC and tournament sponsorship!).
after giving up with regional idents before the 6ish/7ish news during the world cup, i was surprised to hear this regional effort at 10.05. a specially recorded version without the "at ten oclock".
Here in the west we are having regional idents at 7pm, which seems a bit daft as there's no regional insert in the headlines. I didnt see what happened at 10.10 - im sure there would of been a regional ident though.
I'm more concerned that regional news has to be reduced to practically nothing during the World Cup - particularly as they are showing repeats of "Flog It" and cooking shows on BBC2. The Football ought to be on BBC2 (unless it's an England match) if they can't provide the regional opt outs for local news on BBC2. Life continues for those of us not into the minute details of the football, and I would've thought local news was a key public service part of the BBC's terrestrial output that should take priority over lifestyle repeats?
To be honest I prefer the minimalistic scoreboard on the BBC - it's designed for HDTV, but I can read it perfectly well on my widescreen TV. It invades less of the picture compared to ITV which can only be a good thing.
The astons however on the BBC are a bit too big, but then they're hardly on screen. Again they've clearly been designed to look good on HDTV (gradients etc.), and are probably this size to make best use of this effect.
ITV don't seem to have bothered making an effort for HDTV.
Apologies if this has been mentioned before but which idiot at the host broadcaster thought of big invasive triangles to represent the colours of the teams? Both ITV and BBC have them (As they did at Euro 2004, albeit in underline form) which leads me to believe that they are part of the graphic insert programme contract thingy.
Anyone who looks at a football field and can't tell that Australia are the team in gold and green, or doesn't work out that the Croatian team are the ones with the hideous red and white chequerboard kit, shouldnt be watching the World Cup to be honest.
Having said that, I wouldn't mind so much if this dumbing down was limited to this one occasion but the BBC are using colour coding for everything now including the Six Nations -- I mean we're hardly going to think that the team in red is Scotland now are we?
I notice watching the game on BBC One now - Korea vs. Togo - that they've moved the scorebar down a good few pixels. This is most obvious when you press the red button and the interactive menu bar no longer lines up properly!
I notice watching the game on BBC One now - Korea vs. Togo - that they've moved the scorebar down a good few pixels. This is most obvious when you press the red button and the interactive menu bar no longer lines up properly!
...and having just re-entered the interactive service, I notice they've now moved the menu-bar down to match!!
Apologies if this has been mentioned before but which idiot at the host broadcaster thought of big invasive triangles to represent the colours of the teams? Both ITV and BBC have them (As they did at Euro 2004, albeit in underline form) which leads me to believe that they are part of the graphic insert programme contract thingy.
Anyone who looks at a football field and can't tell that Australia are the team in gold and green, or doesn't work out that the Croatian team are the ones with the hideous red and white chequerboard kit, shouldnt be watching the World Cup to be honest.
Having said that, I wouldn't mind so much if this dumbing down was limited to this one occasion but the BBC are using colour coding for everything now including the Six Nations -- I mean we're hardly going to think that the team in red is Scotland now are we?
Ridiculous. They are hardly "invasive"; especially ITV's.
Where it may seem obvious which team is which in a game between the likes of England and Paraguay, it may not be so obvious to some people, even to you, if you had just switched on and were watching South Korea and Togo. There may also be the factor of away kits.
Apologies if this has been mentioned before but which idiot at the host broadcaster thought of big invasive triangles to represent the colours of the teams? Both ITV and BBC have them (As they did at Euro 2004, albeit in underline form) which leads me to believe that they are part of the graphic insert programme contract thingy.
Anyone who looks at a football field and can't tell that Australia are the team in gold and green, or doesn't work out that the Croatian team are the ones with the hideous red and white chequerboard kit, shouldnt be watching the World Cup to be honest.
Having said that, I wouldn't mind so much if this dumbing down was limited to this one occasion but the BBC are using colour coding for everything now including the Six Nations -- I mean we're hardly going to think that the team in red is Scotland now are we?
The host broadcaster isn't using them. If you want to see the host broadcast graphic look at UKTV G2 where the scorebar doesn't have team colours. The BBC and ITV have both chosen to do this themselves, nothing to with any "idiots" at the host broadcaster. By the way, I agree with the comment above, it's a sensible idea, particularly for the casual viewer who may come in towards the end of a game, and won't be familiar with many of the teams.
I think the colours of the teams is a bit OTT, if you can't figure it out in less than a minute you mustn't know much about football. I'm not usually with the completely logo free brigade (i can except the scorebar is handy) but it was quite nice to watch the england match for a few minutes with a clean feed with the score popping up at the bottom instead occasionally.
I think the colours of the teams is a bit OTT, if you can't figure it out in less than a minute you mustn't know much about football. I'm not usually with the completely logo free brigade (i can except the scorebar is handy) but it was quite nice to watch the england match for a few minutes with a clean feed with the score popping up at the bottom instead occasionally.
But I think that's the point - the WC attracts plenty of viewers who don't watch much football at all - even girls! (Just a joke BTW, in case any of the girly footballers are watching.) So for those casual viewers this seems like a good idea, and doesn't really make the graphics more invasive.
I think the colours of the teams is a bit OTT, if you can't figure it out in less than a minute you mustn't know much about football. I'm not usually with the completely logo free brigade (i can except the scorebar is handy) but it was quite nice to watch the england match for a few minutes with a clean feed with the score popping up at the bottom instead occasionally.
But any broadcaster showing the World Cup wants to make their coverage as accessible as possible, so that they can attract the biggest possible audience. People who don't usually watch football might be more inclined to watch if they know immediately which team is which!
