Winter Olympics 2018: PyeongChang, South Korea - Page 24

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harshy Founding member 11 February 2018 9:04am

So I know Panasonic is the official “AUDIO/TV/VIDEO EQUIPMENT” provider for the Olympics. But in reality how many of the cameras, switchers and other broadcast critical equipment comes from them? I don’t think I’ve ever seen or heard of an OB truck that carries Panasonic cameras for sport and their most powerful switcher is a 2M/E.

Panasonic used to provide an OB truck with Panasonic facilities for the US ABC football coverage when it launched I believe (as they had 720p59.94 native stuff - whereas Sony had only got 1080i59.94 cameras with a poor-quality cross convert). Panasonic also sponsored the coverage.

You are right though - Panasonic have never really been in the live system camera game (different story for PSC/location shooting) - though they had a number of tape formats.

D3 was kind of premiered art the Barcelona 1992 games - and became the standard for Digital Composite SD used by NBC, the BBC and NHK.

(Digibeta launched at Lillehammer in '94 - when Sony were the broadcast sponsors of the games)

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So what does the OBS mainly use for their production needs? Sony seems to power all of NBC Sports equipment (however the news division does use Panasonic cameras) and get a tag in their credits. Also what sort of CG makes the wonderful score graphics?

OBS hires in production teams and equipment from lots of different areas - the broadcast sponsor tag no longer really applies to the TV production.

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I’m kind of curious how they cut the different language OBS feeds. Is there a master switcher with slaves switchers for each language? (I got that idea as that’s what NBC uses for some of their Norte Dame football games in 4K) Or is it more akin to the whole BBC News setup where each channel can have a different style.

What language feeds do you mean?

OBS provide a single picture feed from each event - and usually there is an English world feed commentary (sometimes in the past this has been a broadcaster's commentary that OBS take, but these days it is usually their own provision). Other language commentary is provided by broadcasters for themselves (as is often the case with English commentary). The difference is audio only.

I don't think there are multiple language graphics feeds - or are you saying there are?

By language feeds I thought the OBS outputted different score graphics in different languages.

Maybe it’s done at source but the main MDS feeds always had the graphics in English with only audio being in multiple languages.

NG

noggin Founding member 11 February 2018 10:35am

Rkolsen posted:

By language feeds I thought the OBS outputted different score graphics in different languages.

I don't believe that to be the case. AIUI OBS provide a main feed with a single style of graphics, which is in English (as much as English is used).

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thegeek Founding member 11 February 2018 1:26pm

SRG's studio is on top of House of Switzerland (the Swiss NOC's showcase), overlooking Yongpyong Alpine. ORF appear to have something similar at Austria House, near the sliding centre.

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Brekkie 11 February 2018 2:18pm

Kind of makes sense - gives them easier access to their own athletes too.

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mici0123 11 February 2018 7:06pm

And to complete the Germanophonic trifecta here is Eurosoprts 2nd Studio in the German House. The main studio is in Munich (pictures were posted by thegeek a little earlier in the Thread).

ARD/ZDF's deal apparently came to late for them to plan a propper presentation from PyeongChang, so their main studio is at MDR in Leipzig, with just some parts of the Presentation from PyeongChang.

Also Trailer for Biathlon (big sport in Germany) on TLC and the TLC-version of the Break bumper:

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Orry Verducci 11 February 2018 7:13pm

noggin posted:

Rkolsen posted:

By language feeds I thought the OBS outputted different score graphics in different languages.

I don't believe that to be the case. AIUI OBS provide a main feed with a single style of graphics, which is in English (as much as English is used).

All feeds from OBS have only English graphics on them.

For broadcasters who want other languages they provide blank versions of all the graphics to them, which the broadcaster can fill in themselves with translated text and overlay on top of the OBS graphics.

Having a quick look at other broadcasters around the world it seems the Korean's do this as standard practice, quickly fading up translated graphics after OBS fade up theirs. As the graphics are identical to what OBS are showing it looks clean and works well. All the other countries I've looked at though (several European broadcasters and Japan) seem to not bother and just use what's coming out of OBS.

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dvboy 11 February 2018 7:28pm

Is there a data feed that OBS provide so they can translate them quickly?

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noggin Founding member 11 February 2018 7:40pm

dvboy posted:

Is there a data feed that OBS provide so they can translate them quickly?

Probably - and it's less translation, more rendering in a different way. I suspect the data is provided in a reasonably language agnostic way?

DV

DVB Cornwall 11 February 2018 8:06pm

For London 2012, all broadcasters, including the Host Broadcaster OBS, had a metadata feed of the outgoing raw website data which was in real time, for such uses. I've no reason to believe that anything has changed with this arrangement, I believe a crude version of this system was available for Vancouver in 2010, I think I remember a small item on it during the downtime in action.

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rdd Founding member 11 February 2018 8:34pm

Just to note that unlike last time, RTÉ have sent four staff over to South Korea (one less than Team Ireland!) and are producing their own highlights show with Clare McNamara.

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Rkolsen 11 February 2018 8:55pm

Orry Verducci posted:

noggin posted:

Rkolsen posted:

By language feeds I thought the OBS outputted different score graphics in different languages.

I don't believe that to be the case. AIUI OBS provide a main feed with a single style of graphics, which is in English (as much as English is used).

All feeds from OBS have only English graphics on them.

For broadcasters who want other languages they provide blank versions of all the graphics to them, which the broadcaster can fill in themselves with translated text and overlay on top of the OBS graphics.

Having a quick look at other broadcasters around the world it seems the Korean's do this as standard practice, quickly fading up translated graphics after OBS fade up theirs. As the graphics are identical to what OBS are showing it looks clean and works well. All the other countries I've looked at though (several European broadcasters and Japan) seem to not bother and just use what's coming out of OBS.

Now wasn’t there a recent games where there were two sets of HD feeds - one 4:3 safe and the other not?

DVB Cornwall posted:

For London 2012, all broadcasters, including the Host Broadcaster OBS, had a metadata feed of the outgoing raw website data which was in real time, for such uses. I've no reason to believe that anything has changed with this arrangement, I believe a crude version of this system was available for Vancouver in 2010, I think I remember a small item on it during the downtime in action.

Could meta data feed includes triggers as for which graphic to use or when they appear on screen? I’m thinking of something like the triggers used for the NameDropper HD and LIDIA systems (its the same hardware / mostly the same software from Evertz but branded differently) used by NBC and CBS to trigger a stations ticker during Today and CBS This Morning, respectively. As soon as the ticker backing for Today is transmitted the text starts but it stays on a half second longer when it disappears.

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noggin Founding member 11 February 2018 9:45pm

Rkolsen posted:

Now wasn’t there a recent games where there were two sets of HD feeds - one 4:3 safe and the other not?

Think Turin host feeds were 4:3 SD and 16:9 HD (I think the 4:3 SD was a 12F12 CCO rather than a separate cut - though were a couple of 4:3 SD events - like Curling and possibly some 16:9 SD upconverts).

As a number of broadcasters in Europe were 16:9 SD and not HD, some 16:9 SD broadcasters ended up paying for a 16:9 HD to SD downconversion. (These HD downconversions were called MUNIs rather than MULTIs - as they were only available to those who had paid for the conversion - so were halfway between a multi and a uni). I think the graphics were still 4:3 safe for HD outlets at that point though.

There could have been a more recent games where both options were available.

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Winter Olympics 2018

PyeongChang, South Korea (November 2017)