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Winter Olympics 2018

PyeongChang, South Korea (November 2017)

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RK
Rkolsen

Sounds as if this could be a bit like Sochi (and Vancouver?) - I suspect they will use the camera RF whenever possible, apart from when the weather is too bad (if it ever is). Interesting that there's studio presentation from MediaCity in Salford too. ISTR that the BBC used a London virtual studio for 1998, can't remember if they also did in 2002.

I hadn't heard about the RF camera - though I had been told they weren't using the shopping trolley again this year.

From their hotel, they might be able to get a link up to the ski jump tower or the sliding centre, but I don't see Alpensia as being buzzing with fans, so it's probably just so they can get more (or varied) picturesque backgrounds.

It was -20c last week - fine at ground level for short periods, but I ventured up to the IBC roof, and the wind chill made it pretty harsh. They're going to be glad of their nice warm hotel room for a studio...


What's the coldest temperature (assume you wrap it up, shelter it from the wind etc.) you can typically run a handheld broadcast camera before you run into problems? Is it more about having mains power to avoid the battery failing, or do you have to take steps to protect the sensor and the LCD panel too? (I read that LCDs freeze/crack at around -30C, but you get problems above that with them becoming slow/unresponsive, edges going dark etc.)

Also I've seen at least one blog where people have been advised it's better to consider just leaving the camera outside in the cold, rather than continually bringing it back in and taking it out again, to avoid condensation damage.


That’s what happens over here during hurricane and snow storm coverage to avoid condensation and other problems.

In the Super Bowl festivities NBC News did a ride along with the military securing Minneapolis. They were supposed to have cockpit cameras but it was too cold and they wouldn’t work.

The Sony PXW-X400 series has an operating range of -4°— 40°C.
DO
dosxuk
Both the recent Sony HDC's and GVG LDX's are specced to operate between -20°C and +45°C. As suggested, the actual temperature is far less of an issue than temperature gradients (especially in humid countries) where condensation forming can cause serious problems.
BR
Brekkie
Just watching the Quest countdown of the 50 Greatest Winter Olympic Moments from the weekend and when they put the Miracle on Ice at number 46 it pretty much makes the whole thing rather questionable.

And Torville and Dean at 39. Ridiculous.
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RK
Rkolsen
Both the recent Sony HDC's and GVG LDX's are specced to operate between -20°C and +45°C. As suggested, the actual temperature is far less of an issue than temperature gradients (especially in humid countries) where condensation forming can cause serious problems.


Right but those would normally be in a studio or near a heater if outside. What about a typical run and gun type setup?
NG
noggin Founding member
Both the recent Sony HDC's and GVG LDX's are specced to operate between -20°C and +45°C. As suggested, the actual temperature is far less of an issue than temperature gradients (especially in humid countries) where condensation forming can cause serious problems.


Right but those would normally be in a studio or near a heater if outside. What about a typical run and gun type setup?


Not sure of your point - HDCs and LDXs shooting external events won't be near heaters will they? Neither will they be if they are doing RF camera exterior presentation. Lots of presentation in Scandinavia is exterior-based. They do 3 camera desk chat in the open-air, often with inches of snow on their desk!

Historically you keep outside cameras as cool as possible and avoid bringing them in to warm spaces when off-air. If you are shooting predominantly inside you keep your camera nice and warm in as well insulated a bag as you can when moving around outside between inside shoots. What you want to avoid is quickly taking a camera from a -20C exterior shoot to an interior 20C shoot and vice versa...

Hand warmers can be useful to help PSC camera batteries last a bit longer (tape one to the battery to avoid its capacity dropping in the cold). A hand warmer can also help with fogged up lens elements if you do get caught. (Also keep your phone in an inside pocket next to your body and use a cabled earpiece and mic - like everyone in Scandinavia does...)
RK
Rkolsen
I’m confused.

Someone mentioned RF cameras and I interpretted them as being the typical Sony PXW / Panasonic Type as they are commonly used here. Then you mentioned the HDC and the LDX series which although are used outside are typically teathered to the camera chain (in the US). I assumed when you meant outside they’d be near heated areas such as where a set would be and protected a bit more from the elements. I forget that those series can be used wirelessly.
NG
noggin Founding member
I’m confused.

Someone mentioned RF cameras and I interpretted them as being the typical Sony PXW / Panasonic Type as they are commonly used here. Then you mentioned the HDC and the LDX series which although are used outside are typically teathered to the camera chain (in the US).


You can use HDCs with a number of third-party RF links - that's not that unusual, and often preferred to using a camcorder + RF back as the result is a bit smaller.

I've seen 8 or 9 x HDC 1500s (possibly 2500s - can't remember) all running with RF backs deployed on one show here. Sure - you see PMW350s and 500s (and PDW-800s for that matter) with RF links too - and that's a good fit if you are working both RF and PSC, or are doing single-camera RF without a full vision set-up in a truck supporting you. And if you are using an RF Steadicam then a P1 is a good choice.

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I assumed when you meant outside they’d be near heated areas such as where a set would be and protected a bit more from the elements.


The exterior sets I've seen for winter sports in Scandinavia haven't had obvious heating, and the hosts have been dressed warmly.

http://skidzonen.se/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/BB161126CS140-696x464.jpg
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The snow on their hats and desk isn't melting. I wish I could find the best picture of Vinterstudion I saw a while back - they had at least an inch of snow on their desk!
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GL
globaltraffic24
I’m confused.

Someone mentioned RF cameras and I interpretted them as being the typical Sony PXW / Panasonic Type as they are commonly used here. Then you mentioned the HDC and the LDX series which although are used outside are typically teathered to the camera chain (in the US).


You can use HDCs with a number of third-party RF links - that's not that unusual, and often preferred to using a camcorder + RF back as the result is a bit smaller.

I've seen 8 or 9 x HDC 1500s (possibly 2500s - can't remember) all running with RF backs deployed on one show here. Sure - you see PMW350s and 500s (and PDW-800s for that matter) with RF links too - and that's a good fit if you are working both RF and PSC, or are doing single-camera RF without a full vision set-up in a truck supporting you. And if you are using an RF Steadicam then a P1 is a good choice.

Quote:

I assumed when you meant outside they’d be near heated areas such as where a set would be and protected a bit more from the elements.


The exterior sets I've seen for winter sports in Scandinavia haven't had obvious heating, and the hosts have been dressed warmly.

http://skidzonen.se/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/BB161126CS140-696x464.jpg
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The snow on their hats and desk isn't melting. I wish I could find the best picture of Vinterstudion I saw a while back - they had at least an inch of snow on their desk!


SVT must have incredibly easy going engineers. The tech teams I've worked with in the past would go mental about exposed laptops plugged in to live power outlets, sitting on an inch of snow! #typicallybritish
CO
commseng
SVT must have incredibly easy going engineers. The tech teams I've worked with in the past would go mental about exposed laptops plugged in to live power outlets, sitting on an inch of snow! #typicallybritish

There are all sorts of risks that you wouldn't expect.
An iPhone charging in a wet area for example.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39307418
GO
gottago
SVT must have incredibly easy going engineers. The tech teams I've worked with in the past would go mental about exposed laptops plugged in to live power outlets, sitting on an inch of snow! #typicallybritish

There are all sorts of risks that you wouldn't expect.
An iPhone charging in a wet area for example.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39307418

Wouldn't expect? You'd have to be a moron not expect electrocution from that.
CO
commseng
You and I may expect it, but obviously there are a large number of the population that don't think of these things unfortunately,
NG
noggin Founding member

SVT must have incredibly easy going engineers. The tech teams I've worked with in the past would go mental about exposed laptops plugged in to live power outlets, sitting on an inch of snow! #typicallybritish


We can't see the whole install - but yes...

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