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Press Pack on the BBC Press Office Site (January 2010)

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NG
noggin Founding member
Don't NBC also delay everything to (us) prime time and annoy a large number of their viewers in the process?


Depends on the host timezone and which side of the US you are watching.

Because Canada and the US are roughly in the same timezone, NBC are showing quite a lot of stuff live on their outlets on the East Coast. HOWEVER, they're still delaying this by 3 hours for the West Coast (to avoid annoying their affiliates who would need to relocate their lucrative local news shows to take the East Coast stuff live)

So even though Vancouver is in the same time zone as the West Coast of the US, US West Coast viewers are watching live events 3 hours delayed...

AIUI NBC are probably showing more live than usual because there are fewer events to cover and package than usual - because some of them have been postponed.

Beijing was delayed on both coasts, with West Coast a straight 3 hour delay of East Coast again.

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WI
william Founding member
Going back a couple of days and awful opening ceremony - the worst of all the ceremonies I've seen in the last 20 years. The IOC need to ensure an indoor ceremony never happens again - the cauldron thing was an absolute farce, whether it failed or not. We know the cauldron often isn't actually "lit" by those given the honour of lighting it, but it usually appears to do so and lighting an indoor cauldron which would burn for 20 minutes or so was just an insult to the tradition.

Good commentary from Hazel though, and I hope Huw Edwards is let nowhere near the mic for London 2012. If they want a male voice, I'd opt for Hugh Porter - easily the best commentator the BBC have got.

BBC coverage wise and the schedule changes don't help, but so far so good - though I think they only really need two main presenters out there - Claire for primetime then Hazel for overnight - though I guess with Sue Barker commentating that's effectively what they've got. And although annoying that Freeview viewers only get the one stream, the highlights programme is very good - but just wish they'd schedule them on BBC1/2 (say an Olympic Breakfast from 8.30-9.15am during the games) rather than just loop them on the red button.


Disagree completely on the ceremony. Certainly looking back over the last 10 years this is the one I've enjoyed most. There was a fantastic shot from a helicopter coming round the corner of False Creek heading towards that barge with the Olympic Rings on it, right at the very beginning, which the BBC all but missed. They'll have to do something like that with the Thames in two years time. And the full sequence with the snowboarder (which again got butchered in the highlights) was a great concept with first-rate editing (if you watch it back you'll see they constantly shifted the speed, and the section with the torches and the maple leaf was extended - including several great tracking shots.) I'm yet to hear anyone say a bad word about the whales and I also really liked the stuff with the dancers and the tree (the rising projection on that was a rather effective optical illusion.)

I watched the "pre-show" on the EBU feed - which was mostly an audience participation rehearsal. Some of that wasn't very successful - they rehearsed the countdown sequence several times - the audience had to stand as each number from 10-1 was projected on the area they were sitting in. However they didn't really do so quickly enough and the difference in colours on the packs they had to hold aloft - light for the area covered by the number, dark for the areas not - was pretty much lost at least on SD. Also there was a vision mixer (or camera operator) error towards the end which meant a couple of numbers were never shown. However I thought the torches were very successful - each person in the crowd had one of four coloured gels and the ushers showed them which coloured torches to turn on at a particular time, and how to move them about, so the patterns of light were consistent around the stadium.

Whilst I liked the songs I'd personally have preferred it if there was more evidence of a camera rehearsal for most of them, and if the cut rate had been a bit faster.

Overall, as mentioned by Hazel and Robin Cousins in the commentary, there was a sense that less is more after Beijing. I preferred the ground based display to the 'rolled up' digital parchment/scroll, for example.

I don't think the torch was such a disaster as you make out because (a) they were going to light it again outside afterwards anyway and (b) I'm convinced they fully planned for this eventuality - crucially if one of the four 'legs' failed the rest of the mechanism would still work and it wouldn't look too bad (which it didn't really - they managed to get some favourable camera angles from the other side of the stadium.) But the uncomfortable delay was nothing compared to the agonising four and half minutes Cathy Freeman et al had to endure back in 2000 when there was a computer fault and the mechanism shut down (incidentally if Youtube is correct, that cauldron is now this water feature opposite the stadium entrance.)

In Vancouver, my interpretation was that the four poles had to be installed *during* the ceremony because those sections of the stage almost certainly housed the totem poles used at the start, so they could not fully test them beforehand. The only official reason that's been given thus far is hydraulic failure, but I heard a couple of rumours from people in the stadium who claim they saw technicians trying to release one of the doors in the the floor of the stage.
Last edited by william on 15 February 2010 3:09pm
NG
noggin Founding member
Excellent Opening Ceremony having fun without regimentation.


I thought the sound quality on the BBC broadcast was very very poor, especially that of the singing in the stadium. The Eurosport coverage was of a much better sound quality.


Didn't hear the opening ceremony - but Eurosport's commentary audio on their standard event coverage is really, really bad.

Their commentary sounds like it is coming down a low-bandwith circuit (7.5kHz bw / 15kHz sampling?) In comparison the BBC's sounds much cleaner - with a lot more HF and a far less "muffled" quality. Same as Beijing.
DV
DVB Cornwall
See the BBC has already increased the coverage today, The addition of the postponed Men's Downhill isn't unexpected, but adding 90mins of Snowboarding on BBC Three is in my view.
NG
noggin Founding member
See the BBC has already increased the coverage today, The addition of the postponed Men's Downhill isn't unexpected, but adding 90mins of Snowboarding on BBC Three is in my view.


Was the snowboarding a late schedule change - I thought I saw it trailled a day or so ago? I guess now that Freeview has fewer interactive streams there is more impetus to put stuff on a network rather than Press Red? (It's also on BBC HD - so not just SD which it might be if it was just Press Red)
BR
Brekkie
The BBC3 slot was always scheduled. Snowboard Cross one of the big success stories from 2006 and Ed Leigh is superb commentating - but the co-host they've given him is ruining the coverage at the moment. She's awful.

Have the BBC used their studio yet at Whistler - from what I've seen so far Clare Balding is usually out and about, which actually works quite well. From what I've seen of the Vancouver studio it's not doing them any favours at all - they might as well be in London frankly.
TI
tightrope78
The BBC3 slot was always scheduled. Snowboard Cross one of the big success stories from 2006 and Ed Leigh is superb commentating - but the co-host they've given him is ruining the coverage at the moment. She's awful.

Have the BBC used their studio yet at Whistler - from what I've seen so far Clare Balding is usually out and about, which actually works quite well. From what I've seen of the Vancouver studio it's not doing them any favours at all - they might as well be in London frankly.


Hazel left the Vancouver studio last night and presented from the roof of the International Broadcast Centre. As someone said earlier I think they were hoping for a more spectacular view from their studio.
DV
DVB Cornwall
Apologies, must have misunderstood Clare B's announcement.
WI
william Founding member
The BBC3 slot was always scheduled. Snowboard Cross one of the big success stories from 2006 and Ed Leigh is superb commentating - but the co-host they've given him is ruining the coverage at the moment. She's awful.

Have the BBC used their studio yet at Whistler - from what I've seen so far Clare Balding is usually out and about, which actually works quite well. From what I've seen of the Vancouver studio it's not doing them any favours at all - they might as well be in London frankly.


Hazel left the Vancouver studio last night and presented from the roof of the International Broadcast Centre. As someone said earlier I think they were hoping for a more spectacular view from their studio.


As I now understand it, they were planning to use the rooftop/balcony location all along but the rain at the start made it impossible.
NG
noggin Founding member
The BBC3 slot was always scheduled. Snowboard Cross one of the big success stories from 2006 and Ed Leigh is superb commentating - but the co-host they've given him is ruining the coverage at the moment. She's awful.

Have the BBC used their studio yet at Whistler - from what I've seen so far Clare Balding is usually out and about, which actually works quite well. From what I've seen of the Vancouver studio it's not doing them any favours at all - they might as well be in London frankly.


Didn't know they had a studio at Whistler - though I suspect it is prudent to have a weather-proof presentation location there. Think the plan has always been to do as much presentation on the hoof as possible in Whistler. With a presenter as natural and fluent as Clare - you can. BBC Sport have a very good pool of presenters who are brilliant without autocue - which can make life a whole lot easier.

I think the Vancouver studio demonstrates why the BBC don't usually like building their studios at IBCs... (Whatever the NAO might think - in telly terms a decent view generates a lot of added value and is often worth paying extra for.) Hazel looked much better presenting outside.
Last edited by noggin on 15 February 2010 9:46pm
MA
Magoo
The BBC3 slot was always scheduled. Snowboard Cross one of the big success stories from 2006 and Ed Leigh is superb commentating - but the co-host they've given him is ruining the coverage at the moment. She's awful.

He is fantastic and would be much better off without her. No insights whatsoever. Wonder where they dug her up from.
NG
noggin Founding member
Magoo posted:
The BBC3 slot was always scheduled. Snowboard Cross one of the big success stories from 2006 and Ed Leigh is superb commentating - but the co-host they've given him is ruining the coverage at the moment. She's awful.

He is fantastic and would be much better off without her. No insights whatsoever. Wonder where they dug her up from.


She's Norwegian and a former competitor (possibly a medallist/medalist at Nagano?) I think.

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