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Markymark6,883 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
I supppse the other big risk other than the mast coming down is cutting the power to it if it gets too close. Don't want that coming down whilst power is still going up the thing.

Some video of the firefighting efforts over the last few days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf9zyhana0U

Kind of reminds me of the fire at the Peterborough/Morbourne mast in 2004. Obviously that only served local and national radio and the fire started up the mast but when it collapsed on bonfire night it knocked out radio for a good few days/weeks in the area.


More importantly the Morborne mast was a local node point for mobile phone networks and other private and utility comms systems. Winter Hill will be the same
Worzel4,690 posts since 8 Jan 2008
Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
There's one thing people are forgetting, yes there's a risk the mast might come down if the fire gets too close and severs a guy, but they're going to have to (at some point) make a decision whether to cut the power to it. Don't want to risk that coming down with power going up the thing.

I also read on Twitter that firefighters have now been evacuated from the Hill entirely as it's too dangerous.
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Worzel4,690 posts since 8 Jan 2008
Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
So if you have Sky or Freesat, you should be ok as the uplink to the satellites isn't affected. I suppose Freeview viewers will become reliant on VOD services or the likes of TV Player.

Virgin is the one where we don't really know, I suspect they use terrestrial links.


My understanding is Virgin take their relays off of Freeview, so they might be affected. I'm sure they could route a satellite relay of the local services if necessary.
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Markymark6,883 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
There's one thing people are forgetting, yes there's a risk the mast might come down if the fire gets too close and severs a guy, but they're going to have to (at some point) make a decision to cut the power to it. Don't want to risk that coming down with power going up the thing.


There are VSWR trips that will do that the moment the feeders mechanically fail. If there’s a total structural collapse it’s pretty academic whether or not the antennas and transmitters are still powered anyway !
Inspector Sands13,692 posts since 25 Aug 2004
So if you have Sky or Freesat, you should be ok as the uplink to the satellites isn't affected. I suppose Freeview viewers will become reliant on VOD services or the likes of TV Player.


Many people are reliant on terrestrial though and won't have the choice of satellite or online. Then there's radio of course, not everyone will want to hook a phone up in their car to listen to Radio 2 online.

If the worst come to the worst and there's a need for a temporary mast and replacement transmitters it will be interesting to see which services are prioritised and how quick they come back. It's not got as many services from it as Crystal Palace or Sutton Coldfield but there's still a lot, and many are directional for example the 3 local TV Muxs. I can't imagine they'll be top priority or much room on a temporary mast for the aerials


Big football match coming up too, will be interesting to see if the North West can watch that
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London Lite10,476 posts since 4 Jan 2003
London London
I would have thought the SD PSB muxes which carry BBC One NW and ITV Granada would be the highest priority, followed by the PSB HD mux and then the commercial SD muxes with the locals and COM 7 and 8 being down the chain.

Whatever happens, it'll be at vastly reduced power with fringe areas in the Granada region having no or weak reception.
Inspector Sands13,692 posts since 25 Aug 2004

My understanding is Virgin take their relays off of Freeview, so they might be affected. I'm sure they could route a satellite relay of the local services if necessary.

Virgin do have fibre feeds of some channels, though I don't know if that's the case with the regional services or if its just for certain headends... or if Virgin still even have headends
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Inspector Sands13,692 posts since 25 Aug 2004

More importantly the Morborne mast was a local node point for mobile phone networks and other private and utility comms systems. Winter Hill will be the same

Wasn't a lot of that on the BT Tower next door?

There's another tower (or more) at Winter Hill, that apparently has the non broadcast stuff on it
Worzel4,690 posts since 8 Jan 2008
Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)

More importantly the Morborne mast was a local node point for mobile phone networks and other private and utility comms systems. Winter Hill will be the same

Wasn't a lot of that on the BT Tower next door?

There's another tower (or more) at Winter Hill, that apparently has the non broadcast stuff on it


A lot of stuff on the Peterborough BT mast next door were old horn antennas which were removed to allow the temporary DAB relay mast to be installed.
London Lite10,476 posts since 4 Jan 2003
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