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Winter Hill in danger as fires merge and close in

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HA
harshy Founding member
Si-Co posted:
Si-Co posted:
Fire on Winter Hill described as being close to the transmitter. What will be the implications for NW viewers if the transmitter staff have to evacuate or, worse still, any of the buildings/equipment is damaged?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-44644013


Are transmitters still staffed?


Sites like Emley are, but that’s a regional HQ. I thought Winter might be. Even if it isn’t, the fire appears quite close to it.

I live reasonably close to it, didn’t realise people are in there! I’d love to see what a satellite decoder at one of these places look like.
IS
Inspector Sands

I live reasonably close to it, didn’t realise people are in there! I’d love to see what a satellite decoder at one of these places look like.

I don't think it will be permanently manned, as in there aren't people who work there every day in it's day to day running.


However being a big site there will be people on site often, either doing projects or maintenance, and also as a base for Arqiva engineers who are I the area. Sutton Coldfield which is a bigger station no one works there permanently but there's an office area which is all hot desks for when people do.

With DSO, then local TV and Com 7 and 8,now 700 clearance I imagine the main transmitter sites have had people working in them most of the time


I'm not sure smoke affects satellite reception, the particles aren't as close together
MA
Markymark Meridian (Thames Valley) South Today

I live reasonably close to it, didn’t realise people are in there! I’d love to see what a satellite decoder at one of these places look like.


Nothing very exciting looking !

https://mediasolutions.ericsson.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/RX8200-Configuration-Packs.pdf
MA
Markymark Meridian (Thames Valley) South Today
Si-Co posted:
Si-Co posted:
Fire on Winter Hill described as being close to the transmitter. What will be the implications for NW viewers if the transmitter staff have to evacuate or, worse still, any of the buildings/equipment is damaged?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-44644013


Are transmitters still staffed?


Sites like Emley are, but that’s a regional HQ.


Emley is Arqiva's national control centre. Winter Hill was the 'North West' regional engineering base in the IBA days, if you'd clicked on the mb21 link I quoted earlier, you'd have found this. Cool

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/features/winter_hill-staff_newsletter/index.php
LL
London Lite Recently warned London London
Not looking good from this picture.



VM
VMPhil Granada North West Today
Indeed. Two fires have merged…

http://www.itv.com/news/granada/update/2018-06-30/major-incident-declared-as-winter-hill-scout-moor-fires-merge/
HC
Hatton Cross Central (West) Midlands Today
Don't worry Ashley.
As the son of a multimillionaire, I'm sure the mast going off air, meaning your wretched Global Stations pumping out desperately repetitive playlists and losing some revenue for playing out annoying adverts for PPI claims won't damage the bank balance too much.

Plus, there's a clear line of fire in that picture, so if the fire brigade can water bomb the ground after the fire line and upto the tx building, the blaze can be controlled before it becomes uncontrolled.
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ST
Stuart West Country (West) Spotlight
Can Winter Hill run on an automated basis if any/all staff have to evacuate? I must admit, if I worked there I would not in situ right now.
SP
Steve in Pudsey Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
All UHF transmitters are unattended I believe.
Write that down in your copybook now.
OV
Orry Verducci Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
They are indeed unattended, they only have staff on site when maintenance work is being carried out. The only manned transmitter is Emley Moor, which I believe acts as the remote control and monitoring hub for the entire transmitter network.

The main issue is if the fire does reach the transmitter (I believe it's close) it has the potential to do a lot of damage to the transmitting equipment, which could take weeks to repair.
Last edited by Orry Verducci on 30 June 2018 9:34pm
LL
London Lite Recently warned London London
Is there a back-up situation in place, or will the North West have no tv and some radio stations for a few days while a temporary tx is installed?
OV
Orry Verducci Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
Is there a back-up situation in place, or will the North West have no tv and some radio stations for a few days while a temporary tx is installed?

Not really, Winter Hill has a backup aerial array on the mast but obviously when a fire's involved that will be nocked out with the main one.


Arqiva do have portable backup masts they can quickly put up if required, which won't be as powerful as the main mast but will do the job. The main challenge is that any portable mast needs to be as near the main mast as possible, for the simple reason that everyone's aerials point that way, but the conditions on the ground may make that unfeasible.

Fortunately most people in North Lancs and the lakes use the Lancaster transmitter, or a relay of it, which I believe since DSO is now directly fibre fed for all service rather than relaying Winter Hill, so that will remain on air should anything happen.

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