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AN
Andrew Founding member
Wimbledon 2day has kind of started within Wimbledon 2015 as they've suspended the Mixed Doubles Final to allow the roof to close. This will presumably mean no proper highlights programme tonight.

And tomorrow's is as it always is on men's finals day, shunted to a very late night slot
AN
Andrew Founding member
Jon posted:
It's not an interruption if it's a break in play!

On that logic could ITV have promoted last year's World Cup Final as 'live and uninterrupted on ITV'?

Still seems very crass and cheapens the coverage to show a promo at the end of a set.
MI
Michael
Both programmes are designed to aim towards the same demographic : 25-55 white females with nothing better to do.
BR
Brekkie
It's bad enough they sneak trailers into longer breaks of play, but to cut away during a 1 minute break to show an ad is worse than ITV cutting away from a match to show a tic-tac ad. They had better not do it tomorrow.
MA
Markymark
I'm sure it's got more to do with (unjustified) paranoia that bored viewers will switch away, than any desire to promote Bake Off. You might wonder why the Beeb only seem to promote the same 10 to 20 programmes per week, when they transmit hundreds. I'm increasingly convinced all BBC trailers are primarily screened as 'attention keeping' measures rather than a service to inform and point folk towards something new per se
NG
noggin Founding member

I dare say the old system of VideoPlus may have been able to handle it, though that of course depended on the broadcaster transmitting the codes and the video acting on it, as it may have been seen as a clash.


VideoPlus had no automatic recording functionality - it was just a way of compressing a channel number, start time and stop time into a numerical code. It was a clever way of setting a timer - nothing more.

However it was often combined with PDC (or VPS in some countries which used that instead) which used data sent over teletext (or in the case of VPS a different VBI-based system) to trigger recordings. VideoPlus codes and PDC/VPS could work together - but AIUI it wasn't actually anything to do with the VideoPlus system that tracked over-runs etc.

These days we have EIT stuff to do it on DVB platforms - and in theory they can handle shows moving between channels, but whether the playout systems correctly flag these is a separate matter.
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Markymark

I dare say the old system of VideoPlus may have been able to handle it, though that of course depended on the broadcaster transmitting the codes and the video acting on it, as it may have been seen as a clash.


VideoPlus had no automatic recording functionality - it was just a way of compressing a channel number, start time and stop time into a numerical code. It was a clever way of setting a timer - nothing more.

However it was often combined with PDC (or VPS in some countries which used that instead) which used data sent over teletext (or in the case of VPS a different VBI-based system) to trigger recordings. VideoPlus codes and PDC/VPS could work together - but AIUI it wasn't actually anything to do with the VideoPlus system that tracked over-runs etc.

These days we have EIT stuff to do it on DVB platforms - and in theory they can handle shows moving between channels, but whether the playout systems correctly flag these is a separate matter.


PDC would only work if you entered the originally published start and ( I think ) finish times into the VCR, because they formed the basis of the unique ID codes assigned to each programme. That's why using Videoplus codes was a foolproof method to ensure it worked properly. There was confusion though, how the system operated, not helped by some manufacturers implementing unhelpful features. For instance some ITV companies for time to time would transmit a default PDC flag, that told the VCR not to expect any dynamic stop start information, and to revert to the originally scheduled times, however on some VCRs ( definitely Sonys) this would still light up a PDC beacon in the display, and thus cause total confusion. I recall moaning at Sony about it, they acknowledged the problem, but there was nothing they could do. These were the days before over the air software updates became possible
IS
Inspector Sands
PDC was just start time and date, the idea was that it would keep recording until it disappeared. The start time was fixed in stone so even if the schedule changed the day before, the PDC code didn't
MA
Markymark
PDC was just start time and date, the idea was that it would keep recording until it disappeared. The start time was fixed in stone so even if the schedule changed the day before, the PDC code didn't


There was a 'stop' command too, as you say the 'start' command was repeated every 15 to 30 seconds. The Stop code wasn't required, just an absence of the Start code after a minute or so. I can't remember but it was either C4 or the Beeb that used the Stop code, and some manufacturers used the off air codes to develop their software, resulting in some models only stopping on a stop code, and running on forever if they didn't get it ! Doh
RI
Richard
Jonny posted:
2009 was the final time it happened, after DSO had commenced. It was a wee bit silly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoY3hLRASmM


I saw this at the time and wondered whether any regions had their own continuity into the regional news. Did any BBC 2 have regional versions of the "window on the world" look? I know that BBC North West had a regional ident and announcer into NWT for the previous look when the tennis was on.
JO
Jonny
Jonny posted:
2009 was the final time it happened, after DSO had commenced. It was a wee bit silly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoY3hLRASmM


I saw this at the time and wondered whether any regions had their own continuity into the regional news. Did any BBC 2 have regional versions of the "window on the world" look? I know that BBC North West had a regional ident and announcer into NWT for the previous look when the tennis was on.

The BBC2 England opts were phased out not long into the Yellow Robot look, so I'm going to say that was the last package to include English regional variants.

(Oh and this also occurred a few days after the infamous 2009 presentation refresh. Given that they initially forgot about the very much active Nations, there is not a cat in hell's chance English regional variants were made!)
Last edited by Jonny on 12 July 2015 10:08am
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Stuart
How do modern recording devices cope when a programme is moved to a different channel?

If you schedule a recording for tennis on BBC2 and it gets moved to BBC1, do Sky+ and the Virgin, Free view and Freesat equivalents still record it?


With regards to Sky, I suspect it's whether it gets identified as part of a series as to what gets recorded. I dare say BBC 1 Wimbledon, for example, is classed from the point of view of the Sky+ box as one series whereas BBC 2 Wimbledon is seen as another series. A match being moved from BBC Two to BBC One, especially when the main programme is already on air according to the EPG and just gets extended, isn't going to trigger an automatic recording on any platform to my mind.

Sky+ can't recognise series links on different channels. This is demonstrated when programmes such as Marr and Sunday Politics are moved to BBC Two for Sunday morning sporting events. It simply misses the broadcast on Two and sets the next recording on One for the following week.

If you wanted to make sure you captured the whole of Wimbledon, you'd have to set series link on both BBC One and Two, and hope that the box recognised any last minute change to the schedule as a linked programme in the series.

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