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Isonstine
Founding member
East Midlands Today did appear once here in the Midlands. I think it was back in May now and for some reason Dominic Heale came on BBC TWO for the regional update and said 'Now, the news for both the Midlands and East Midlands' but it contained all East Midlands stories. 
Also, another time when Midlands Today forgot to opt out we got a BBC ONE balloon and the announcement 'I'm sorry but we can't show your regional programme. Instead news from around the UK Today.' We then got two headlines from Martine Croxall before some hastily realised that they forgot to leave the network and Midlands Today came back for the last headline. Nothing was said by the presenters as the headline sequence is recorded and also nothing was said in the main programme either.
Also, another time when Midlands Today forgot to opt out we got a BBC ONE balloon and the announcement 'I'm sorry but we can't show your regional programme. Instead news from around the UK Today.' We then got two headlines from Martine Croxall before some hastily realised that they forgot to leave the network and Midlands Today came back for the last headline. Nothing was said by the presenters as the headline sequence is recorded and also nothing was said in the main programme either.
BB
BBC Choice
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Quote: from techy peep on 12:17 am on Aug. 9, 2001
The announcer on digital would also mention this... 'Now on BBC1, in widescreen, Eastenders' or such.
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A practice which stopped January 3rd 2001. Bet you didn't [want to] know that!
Why did they stop it? I thought it was a good thing
Quote: from techy peep on 12:17 am on Aug. 9, 2001
The announcer on digital would also mention this... 'Now on BBC1, in widescreen, Eastenders' or such.
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A practice which stopped January 3rd 2001. Bet you didn't [want to] know that!
Why did they stop it? I thought it was a good thing
TP
A practice which stopped January 3rd 2001. Bet you didn't [want to] know that! 
Cheers, Asa
I think I did say that it doesn't tend to happen these days, but there are times where they use different announcers for particular reasons, but generally DNC1 feed NC1. An instance where NC1 would take control is when all BBC Networks (1,2,Prime,World,N24) come together such as for a Royal Death.
The reason it stopped was that the infrastructure was in place to enable NC1 to feed DNC1 and back again. Also DTV is fairly common now whereas when DNC1 was brought into service it wasn't, so there is no real reason to do so. They needed two distinct channels to promo specific material only to be found on DTV.
If your spurred feed of network doesn't come directly from London, such as Rob says, then you will get the 'dirtied' feed from your main regional centre, in Robs case Birmingham.
You can generally tell when your region has opted out and back into Network because on Anaolgue there will be a slight picture disturbance and a 'click' on the audio as the switch is made in CTA (Central Technical Area - another definition for Asa!) where all routing takes place. You won't always see or hear this though, it depends on where the switch was made in relation to the TV lines (more specifically the syncs and pulses)
(Edited by techy peep at 10:03 am on Aug. 9, 2001)
Techy Peep
Founding member
Asa posted:
techy peep posted:
The announcer on digital would also mention this... 'Now on BBC1, in widescreen, Eastenders' or such.
Cheers, Asa
I think I did say that it doesn't tend to happen these days, but there are times where they use different announcers for particular reasons, but generally DNC1 feed NC1. An instance where NC1 would take control is when all BBC Networks (1,2,Prime,World,N24) come together such as for a Royal Death.
The reason it stopped was that the infrastructure was in place to enable NC1 to feed DNC1 and back again. Also DTV is fairly common now whereas when DNC1 was brought into service it wasn't, so there is no real reason to do so. They needed two distinct channels to promo specific material only to be found on DTV.
If your spurred feed of network doesn't come directly from London, such as Rob says, then you will get the 'dirtied' feed from your main regional centre, in Robs case Birmingham.
You can generally tell when your region has opted out and back into Network because on Anaolgue there will be a slight picture disturbance and a 'click' on the audio as the switch is made in CTA (Central Technical Area - another definition for Asa!) where all routing takes place. You won't always see or hear this though, it depends on where the switch was made in relation to the TV lines (more specifically the syncs and pulses)
(Edited by techy peep at 10:03 am on Aug. 9, 2001)
NG
Before UK Today (and with it, BBC News 24) took on the generic look, it was EXCLUSIVELY used as the region-replacing programme on DigiSat. It was only after the generic makeover that it also became the fallback for temporarily unavailable BBC regions on all other platforms.
Maybe this explains the two incidents you've cited (i.e. they occured before UK Today went generic)
Not quite correct : So here is a brief history of UK Today!
1. UK Today launched when the BBC officially launched the Digital Satellite and Digital Terrestrial services in November 1998. This also co-incided with BBC News 24 moving from the flaggy newsroom studio (now occupied by World and called N9) to the Purple, frosted glass and poles look.
UK Today was only taken by DNC1 and broadcast on DSat and DTT - the English regions did not then have the ability to opt out on DTT.
The 1330 and 1830 shows were opt-ins to a News 24 simulcast, and presented by the normal News 24 team (though only by one person at 1330) The other bulletins were pre-recorded and presented by a UK Today journalist from a newsroom camera near 5Lives newsroom.
This was in the days of the One/Six coming from the blue set, with no regional headline opts.
The 1759 trail (which went out just before the Six) was recorded by one of the UK Today bulletin presenters.
UK Today WAS NOT the sustaining network on analogue at this time - Newsroom South East was. Therefore if a region failed to opt on analogue (the only network they could fail on !) they would rebroadcast Newsroom South East.
(There was a short period during the 'Blue Six' period when UK Today moved to N6. This was to allow News 24 to cover the Clinton/Lewinsky events. It was presented by one of the bulletin presenters, Judith Moloney, Martin Popplewell or Dalya Raphael usually)
2. The Six relaunched into the current style. This meant that a regional headline/promo was needed. Huw or Fiona would record the script for this and UK Today would play this out, opting out of N6 for DNC1 - UK Todays VT area did the opt, not DNC1!!. The N6 gallery still cut to Newsroom South East for their headline opt - and this was carried by NC1 as Newsroom South East was still the sustaining service. (NB UK Today did NOT at this point, return for the 1855 headline summary)
At some point News 24 relaunched into the current branded look. UK Today got titles in line with this (though did not use the English opening music - they used the closing!) . The show was still a News 24 simulcast at 1330 and 1830.
4. Eventually Regions got DTT opting on BBC One - this is the point at which UK Today became DSat only (apart from the 1520 BBC Two opt). This was also the point at which Newsroom South East ceased to be carried as the sustaining service on analogue - as it was decided that the same programme had to be carried on both analogue and digital sustaining networks. Thus UK Today was carried by both. N6 then cut up a recorded UK Today headline/promo, and the UK Today simulcast from News 24 DID finish early, and allowed BBC One DSat to go back to the 1855 national headlines, with a loooong weather and lots of promos absorbing the slack on 24.
5. UK Today leaves News 24 and gets its own presenter, but has to become 4:3. The headlines and promo opts were now presented by the UK Today presenter (rather than being voiced by the Nationals presenter) The programme was 4:3 but contained a number of 14:9 letterbox VTs from News 24s server system which was already widescreen. (The bulletins remained 16:9)
6. N6 goes widescreen, and UK Today returns to widescreen. This is the current situation.
noggin
Founding member
SittingOvation posted:
Big Phil posted:
Not long ago we had Look North Leeds instead of NorthWest Tonight, and once before that we had Newsroom SouthEast or whatever it's called. These were both whilst UK Today was available.
Before UK Today (and with it, BBC News 24) took on the generic look, it was EXCLUSIVELY used as the region-replacing programme on DigiSat. It was only after the generic makeover that it also became the fallback for temporarily unavailable BBC regions on all other platforms.
Maybe this explains the two incidents you've cited (i.e. they occured before UK Today went generic)
Not quite correct : So here is a brief history of UK Today!
1. UK Today launched when the BBC officially launched the Digital Satellite and Digital Terrestrial services in November 1998. This also co-incided with BBC News 24 moving from the flaggy newsroom studio (now occupied by World and called N9) to the Purple, frosted glass and poles look.
UK Today was only taken by DNC1 and broadcast on DSat and DTT - the English regions did not then have the ability to opt out on DTT.
The 1330 and 1830 shows were opt-ins to a News 24 simulcast, and presented by the normal News 24 team (though only by one person at 1330) The other bulletins were pre-recorded and presented by a UK Today journalist from a newsroom camera near 5Lives newsroom.
This was in the days of the One/Six coming from the blue set, with no regional headline opts.
The 1759 trail (which went out just before the Six) was recorded by one of the UK Today bulletin presenters.
UK Today WAS NOT the sustaining network on analogue at this time - Newsroom South East was. Therefore if a region failed to opt on analogue (the only network they could fail on !) they would rebroadcast Newsroom South East.
(There was a short period during the 'Blue Six' period when UK Today moved to N6. This was to allow News 24 to cover the Clinton/Lewinsky events. It was presented by one of the bulletin presenters, Judith Moloney, Martin Popplewell or Dalya Raphael usually)
2. The Six relaunched into the current style. This meant that a regional headline/promo was needed. Huw or Fiona would record the script for this and UK Today would play this out, opting out of N6 for DNC1 - UK Todays VT area did the opt, not DNC1!!. The N6 gallery still cut to Newsroom South East for their headline opt - and this was carried by NC1 as Newsroom South East was still the sustaining service. (NB UK Today did NOT at this point, return for the 1855 headline summary)
At some point News 24 relaunched into the current branded look. UK Today got titles in line with this (though did not use the English opening music - they used the closing!) . The show was still a News 24 simulcast at 1330 and 1830.
4. Eventually Regions got DTT opting on BBC One - this is the point at which UK Today became DSat only (apart from the 1520 BBC Two opt). This was also the point at which Newsroom South East ceased to be carried as the sustaining service on analogue - as it was decided that the same programme had to be carried on both analogue and digital sustaining networks. Thus UK Today was carried by both. N6 then cut up a recorded UK Today headline/promo, and the UK Today simulcast from News 24 DID finish early, and allowed BBC One DSat to go back to the 1855 national headlines, with a loooong weather and lots of promos absorbing the slack on 24.
5. UK Today leaves News 24 and gets its own presenter, but has to become 4:3. The headlines and promo opts were now presented by the UK Today presenter (rather than being voiced by the Nationals presenter) The programme was 4:3 but contained a number of 14:9 letterbox VTs from News 24s server system which was already widescreen. (The bulletins remained 16:9)
6. N6 goes widescreen, and UK Today returns to widescreen. This is the current situation.
CR
The Crowdman
...Unless, of course, it is UK Today which is unavailable, (as in the case of 4th & 5th March after the bombing), whereupon the BBC will go to the standby region... NSE! (This change was actually better for me: as a SkyD viewer in NSE's region I actually got
local
news again!)
IT
itsrobert
Founding member
Yes, I recorded Newsroom South East on Sun 4th to get the end titles! I thought, they won't have UK Today, so they'll use NSE. Probably when The Big Split happens, London Live will be adopted as the standby to the standby region. I wonder what the current standby of the standby to the standby is?