One could argue that this genre has seen a decline in output especially on BBC One which is now a ratings grabbing, commercial channel wannabe. They already show more trailers than ITV does adverts.
Irrelvant of how the BBC is funded, in this day and age running BBC ONE with some commercial methods is essential. BBC ONE
*SHOULD*
be chasing for ratings, within reason, as it is one way of justifying the licence fee.
As for the trailers, I agree that their are too many about, but they need something to fill the junctions in between programmes, I don't think viewers would appreciate it if programmes started back-to-back all the time.
Well, never, but that's only because they'd never get away with it.
I seem to remember talk on this forum a while ago regarding plans by the BBC to put in trails for other programmes in the middle of long programmes, or in the middle of related programmes.
I'd never say never.
Whatever "talk" there has or hasn't been, you answered my question yourself - NEVER. Now, if the BBC were ever to do this it would be a great shame, but as things stand right now it just doesn't happen.
To conclude this one (hopefully), all I was trying to say was that people shouldn't use exaggerated untruths ("there are more trailers on BBC1 than adverts on ITV") to attempt to justify their opinions. BBC bash if you will, I'm in no position to stop you, but don't blur fact and opinion.
Don't you ever think, with a name like 'Turnbull and Williams', that you're opening yourself up to anti-BBC argument?
Come on, a name is a name surely? Anyway, what do I care if I'm "opening myself up to anti-BBC argument"? I know that I'm happy to argue the BBC's cause, I also know that there'll be others who argue against it. Surely it is only opinion that keeps this forum interesting.
Well, never, but that's only because they'd never get away with it.
I seem to remember talk on this forum a while ago regarding plans by the BBC to put in trails for other programmes in the middle of long programmes, or in the middle of related programmes.
I'd never say never.
Whatever "talk" there has or hasn't been, you answered my question yourself - NEVER. Now, if the BBC were ever to do this it would be a great shame, but as things stand right now it just doesn't happen.
To conclude this one (hopefully), all I was trying to say was that people shouldn't use exaggerated untruths ("there are more trailers on BBC1 than adverts on ITV") to attempt to justify their opinions. BBC bash if you will, I'm in no position to stop you, but don't blur fact and opinion.
Don't you ever think, with a name like 'Turnbull and Williams', that you're opening yourself up to anti-BBC argument?
Come on, a name is a name surely? Anyway, what do I care if I'm "opening myself up to anti-BBC argument"? I know that I'm happy to argue the BBC's cause, I also know that there'll be others who argue against it. Surely it is only opinion that keeps this forum interesting.
Yeah, I wasn't criticising it, it's good that there are those who are prepared to stick up for something on this forum.
Just a small technical point here - I'm sure if you looked at the amount of time the BBC spend showing trailers and compared it to the amount of time ITV spend showing adverts you'd see that your comments were absolutely untrue. Don't forget that ITV show adverts in the middle of their programmes too - the BBC would never consider breaking up their programmes with adverts.
If you're going to bash the BBC, then at least use facts as a basis for doing so.
Well, this evening was a case in point. Between the end of the news and Songs of Praise, there was an endless stream of trailers on BBC One, culminating in 4 or 5 of them. ITV commercials aren't in vast quantities on a Sunday afternoon. Add to this advertisements for Freeview, other BBC channels, Radio Stations, BBC Online etc. this takes up a signifcant amount of airtime.
Well, this evening was a case in point. Between the end of the news and Songs of Praise, there was an endless stream of trailers on BBC One, culminating in 4 or 5 of them. ITV commercials aren't in vast quantities on a Sunday afternoon. Add to this advertisements for Freeview, other BBC channels, Radio Stations, BBC Online etc. this takes up a signifcant amount of airtime.
SIgnificant perhaps. More than ITV - I don't think so.
The BBC seems to have plenty of money to throw at minority digital tv and radio channels.
Given the amount of childrens programming already available on the digital platform, is it RIGHT that the BBC has TWO dedicated childrens channels, in addition to the childrens programming on during the afternoons? Christ, only the blacks get that many channels usually.
The BBC could EASILY fill it's schedules if it got rid of BBC 3 and 4. There is really only enough programming to fill 2 or 3 channels without repetition.
Forgive me for going backwards a bit here, I've only just read the thread.
I'm sure I've seen you slagging off "minority" stations before on this forum, and it was about the radio stations in particular I think. I'll get to that later.
I agree that there isn't enough TV programming to go round. BBC 1 and 2 need a complete schedule re-think, all the daytime crap needs to go, it's a waste of money and numbs the minds of pensioners and students alike.
There should only be 1 kids channel. CBBC should start up at 9am with toddlers programmes and continue with them till CBBC on ONE ends at which point all the programmes for older kids up to teens could be shown until say, 8pm. No kids programmes should be shown before school on BBC2, and schools TV should be on BBC2 from 9 till 12 at least. They could show 1 kids programme at dinner times on BBC 1 like they used to.
I'm sure the best of BBC 3 and 4 could actually be shown on BBC 1 or 2 anyway, and get rid of the crap bits of the evening schedule like Changing Rooms. The Sign Zone could be shown partly during the day, so that deaf people didn't have to tape everything.
Many other things could be changed, and it'd all be a lot less boring / useless. All this excess crap, when everybody knows that less is more.
Now, radio is a bit different. 1xtra and Asian Network are the result of the BBC and the Radio Authority
FINALLY
after
MANY, MANY
years, responding to demand. The demand didn't show itself in the form of letters asking for more Reggae or Bangrah to be played on the radio, because they wouldn't have even been read. It showed itself in the form of pirate radio. If you live in London, Birmingham, Manchester, and various other cities, you'll realise the need for Black and Asian music to be played on the radio, because you wont be able to turn the dial without hearing some being played on a pirate station.
Now, what happens when analogue radio is switched off? The pirates switch to broadcasting on the net or on DAB. The RA is scared of the possibility of DAB pirates, so I'm sure that (as the RA doesn't have faith in independant commercial stations getting enough advertising sales to survive unless they play middle of the road crap) the RA actually said, "BBC, would you solve a little problem for us."
Of course, 1xtra and Asian Network can't address individual communities like pirates can. And they are still only covering a small part of what the pirates offer. They can't offer a show playing the latest genre of dance music, unless it's very popular among the black or asian communities and seems to originate with them. That's why I think the pirates will carry on regardless, because it goes wider than just black or asian people.
On top of this, good new music ONLY comes from the little people in this country. People who make music in their bedrooms, sometimes only with just a PS1 and a copy of Music 2000. Most stuff in the charts is re-cycled cack for cash, or it's American, or something else, but hardly ever good. The
occasional
good record still appears, if it manages to catch the attention of the radio stations, who don't really have their ears open most of the time. The little people only get their music played in clubs or on pirate radio.
People with a clapped out old 4 track and a busted guitar could make some really good stuff, but it'll never get played on the radio. There needs to be a station that plays really alternative, even weird, new music. Even so-called dance / urban stations like Vibe (Galaxy) and the once-pirate-now-nothing-to-do-with-pirate Kiss FM, hardly play any good dance these days, just the crap chart stuff that Radio 1 already plays. It's bland and it's crap, crap, crap. Dunno about XFM, but I bet they are getting more and more charty. 6 Music has too much charty stuff in the playlist.
"ONLY THE BLACKS GET THIS MANY STATIONS USUALLY"
Now, I don't want to suggest that you are racist Wellington, but you don't half sound it sometimes. I know you don't like the pc brigade, and I myself think that it's a very bad force, but there is a difference between putting a token black person into a TV show, and starting a radio station that plays Reggae and Soul (that's what "RnB" is actually called kids, REAL RnB is a different kind of music to what you think it is). It's needed, it's long over-due, and it's not just for black people. Oh, and it's only 1 station, not "this many stations".
The point I made about "black people" getting digital radio stations etc, is that the BBC does seem to have resources to create additional services aimed at them, when really their primary network channels should cater for the minorities too.
And in any case, if the blacks have to put up with all their BBC programming on a digital channel, why can't the house wives who want to watch eastenders?
OK, I appologise for being a bit angry in my last post, but I had'nt read this bit yet.
I suppose, they should just start programming Radio 1 daytime like Radio 1 late evenings. But there still wouldn't be enough of any one type of music, or enough time to cater for everybody.
I have seen you make some seriously dodgy comments tho. Comments that can so easily be taken in completely the wrong way when read on a computer screen. Even if they are in jest, I can't say they're justified.
BTW, nothing wrong with the Eastenders omnibus, It comes on at the right time for me to watch it on a Sunday, when I can't be bothered at other times in the week.
I'll have you know that those 'blacks' actually watch more mainstream than minority programming. They don't actually like being patronised and pigeon-holed as the 'black community' by white liberals when in reality the majority of them just get on with their lives as Brits. And 'housewives' are among the most aimed at by advertisers (see Coronation Street)
That may be true with television, but pirate radio stations that play Reggae, Soul, Soca, Calypso, Funk, Jazz, Hip Hop, etc. abound because black people (and other people as well) want to listen to this music, and only a very thin commercial wedge of it actually gets played on the legal stations. It's radio that Wellington is on about.
Now, I don't want to suggest that you are racist Wellington, but you don't half sound it sometimes. I know you don't like the pc brigade, and I myself think that it's a very bad force, but there is a difference between putting a token black person into a TV show, and starting a radio station that plays Reggae and Soul (that's what "RnB" is actually called kids, REAL RnB is a different kind of music to what you think it is). It's needed, it's long over-due, and it's not just for black people. Oh, and it's only 1 station, not "this many stations".
That’s the thing; I am deeply disturbed that we are living now in a society that claims to be multicultural and fully integrated and yet we still get services trumpeted towards specific minorities.
I’m not entirely convinced that this is the way to go, not yet anyway.
As was revealed in the documentary “The Secret Policemen”, minority groups being seen to be getting “special” treatment causes resentment and completely undermines the notion of Equal Opportunities, even if ultimately this special treatment is really only straightening the balance.
I resent the current fashion of misplaced minority groups in soaps and so on just to please the pc brigade, it ends up making people angry and does nothing to resolve the underlying problems.
Now, I don't want to suggest that you are racist Wellington, but you don't half sound it sometimes. I know you don't like the pc brigade, and I myself think that it's a very bad force, but there is a difference between putting a token black person into a TV show, and starting a radio station that plays Reggae and Soul (that's what "RnB" is actually called kids, REAL RnB is a different kind of music to what you think it is). It's needed, it's long over-due, and it's not just for black people. Oh, and it's only 1 station, not "this many stations".
That’s the thing; I am deeply disturbed that we are living now in a society that claims to be multicultural and fully integrated and yet we still get services trumpeted towards specific minorities.
I’m not entirely convinced that this is the way to go, not yet anyway.
As was revealed in the documentary “The Secret Policemen”, minority groups being seen to be getting “special” treatment causes resentment and completely undermines the notion of Equal Opportunities, even if ultimately this special treatment is really only straightening the balance.
I resent the current fashion of misplaced minority groups in soaps and so on just to please the pc brigade, it ends up making people angry and does nothing to resolve the underlying problems.
And the point of the comment was? Do you not have any valid feedback?
I hear where you are coming from though, CPFC, it must be hard living in a country where everyone judges you on the colour of your skin, I put my hands up, us chalkies are completely to blame for the lack of ethnic social integration in this country, and throughout the world. It's not your fault you have a chip on your shoulder, it's Wellies. I understand.
However,
