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NW
nwtv2003
MediaGuardian posted:
Setanta signs Virgin Media sports deal


Tara Conlan
Friday July 20, 2007
MediaGuardian.co.uk

Pay-TV group Setanta and Virgin Media have made another move to dent arch-rival BSkyB with a new TV sports package for Virgin's cable customers.
From July 26, new and existing customers who take Virgin Media's XL basic TV package will get six Setanta sports channels for free.

Customers of any other Virgin Media TV service who want to add these Setanta channels to their service will be able to do so for £8 a month.

The move comes ahead of the start of the new football season on August 11, and ratchets up the pressure on Sky as it loses its exclusivity on live Premiership coverage.

Sky has also been unable to counter Setanta's presence on digital terrestrial platform Freeview, as its plans to launch a new pay-TV offering including Sky Sports have been held up by the regulator Ofcom.

Setanta said that today's deal with Virgin Media means cable subscribers will get live coverage from more than 250 showcase events a year.

These include 46 live games from the Barclays Premier League, 60 matches from the Clydesdale Bank Scottish Premier League, the US PGA Tour golf, European League football, and rugby and horse racing from around the UK.

From 2008, customers will also get 25 of the 40 televised fixtures from the English FA Cup, a selection of England football internationals and the Community Shield.

Virgin and Setanta also said the deal means that from the start of the new football season - because of the change to the Premier League broadcasting rights - Virgin Media will be the only provider to offer all the Premiership matches under a single contract.

Virgin Media's chief executive of content, Malcolm Wall, said: "This deal will transform the world of TV sport and makes our XL TV package the best of its kind in the UK. "When we launched Virgin Media last February, we said we were going to shake things up, provide something unique and give our customers superior offerings. Today we're making a down payment on our promise by giving our customers the very best sporting action combined with unbeatable value.

"But this is only the beginning. In terms of both sport and other new high-value content, there's much more to come from Virgin Media."

Setanta and Virgin insisted the move was not a promotional stunt and will form part of Virgin's offering on an "ongoing basis".

Earlier this month Setanta unveiled a new price plan for Freeview and satellite viewers, slashing the price of its sports offering to £9.99 a month.

On Monday, BT Vision also announced it had struck a deal with Setanta. It includes access for its customers to 46 live Premier League games and other sporting fixtures for £12 per month.

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Excellent News for Virgin Media, I didn't see this one coming and I was thinking we were going to be ripped off if we choose to watch Setanta on Virgin. I remember a similar deal NTL did a few years ago when they had part of the Premiership PPV football rights and they offered PremPlus for £10 per season!

This is fantastic News and will probably save some football fans money too, I could see a drop in Sky Sports subscriptions for non-die hard sports fans. Very Happy
SE
Square Eyes Founding member
Never been a better time to be a Virgin subscriber really, free Setanta for XL customers, 1,000's of free music videos on-demand, catch-up TV, VOD.

I can get Sky News on DTT. So all is well.
JO
Joe
Square Eyes posted:
Never been a better time to be a Virgin subscriber really, free Setanta for XL customers, 1,000's of free music videos on-demand, catch-up TV, VOD.

I can get Sky News on DTT. So all is well.


I agree, the On Demand sevice is excellent, especially if you are subscribed, as it's brilliant value.
DA
Dave Founding member
Wow, this is quite unexpected news and looks like cable is starting to turn things around.

Nothing happens since the launch of Virgin Media (expect the removal of some channels) and now they launch free VOD music videos, tons of free VOD programmes and now free Setanta.

In August I think Lost is coming to VOD - advert free. Just need to get 24 and Prison Break and have their own package for VOD movies! Wink

Just seen this on the FT website and they say the XL package won't increase in price any more than inflation until the end of the Setanta contract which is at the end of their new footie contract.
NW
nwtv2003
Square Eyes posted:
Never been a better time to be a Virgin subscriber really, free Setanta for XL customers, 1,000's of free music videos on-demand, catch-up TV, VOD.

I can get Sky News on DTT. So all is well.


Same here, I'm not fussed about losing Sky One, as I've seen The Simpsons and if there is a big US import there is the Internet or Sky Three, Thank God my DTT reception is good with an indoor aerial. Very Happy

I'm really looking foward to Setanta now, this is superb. Great that the music videos are free now too.
PC
p_c_u_k
Oh don't be ridiculous.

I'm sorry, but sometimes I wonder whether this thread is being bogged down by people who are in the pay of Virgin Media. I would quickly like to point out that I'm sure that's NOT the case, but the people on this thread are that deluded that I'm wondering.

Here's where I stand. My parents are Virgin Media subscribers. I have a Freeview box in my room. So therefore I have access to the likes of Sky News, which is a million times better than News 24. (Peter f***ing Sissons anyone?)

As far as I'm concerned, Virgin Media is f***ing useless without the likes of Sky One. Sky One is the home to anything remotely useful beyond Sky Sports, Sky Movies etc. It has new Simpons, Lost, 24, Bones, someone else can add to that if they want. But generally, whether it's healthy for TV in the UK or not, it's got it all.

Virgin has Virgin Central, which has f*** all apart from old repeats of Doctor Who and Little Britain. Which sometimes don't work, as evidenced by frustrated BBCi customers (it's quicker and more efficient on Freeview, which costs NOTHING).

Virgin Media is the poorest excuse for a cable company that I have ever subscribed to, and I go back to the days of Clyde Cable Vision which had about 10 orirginal channels, a lot of cable channels and bugger all else. I'm afraid the viewers have moved on from there, and so should the company.

Hopefully the eventual owners (I presume the asset-strippers...um... 'capital company' won't be there for long) will do a better job. Because, no matter what Sky's ridiculous tactics may be - a) the company which distributes your channels as far as I am concerned does their deals on your behalf and b) Virgin hasn't. It's been there to win points on Sky, and has done a s*** job of doing so. Thank Christ Virgin isn't in charge of anything more important. It's destroyed the entire brand.

The sooner the whole Virgin fiasco ends, the better. It's been the biggest disaster to happen to UK cable (and there's been quite a few) that I have known in my lifetime.
BB
BBC LDN
p_c_u_k posted:
Oh don't be ridiculous.

I'm sorry, but sometimes I wonder whether this thread is being bogged down by people who are in the pay of Virgin Media. I would quickly like to point out that I'm sure that's NOT the case, but the people on this thread are that deluded that I'm wondering.

Here's where I stand. My parents are Virgin Media subscribers. I have a Freeview box in my room. So therefore I have access to the likes of Sky News, which is a million times better than News 24. (Peter f***ing Sissons anyone?)

As far as I'm concerned, Virgin Media is f***ing useless without the likes of Sky One. Sky One is the home to anything remotely useful beyond Sky Sports, Sky Movies etc. It has new Simpons, Lost, 24, Bones, someone else can add to that if they want. But generally, whether it's healthy for TV in the UK or not, it's got it all.

Virgin has Virgin Central, which has f*** all apart from old repeats of Doctor Who and Little Britain. Which sometimes don't work, as evidenced by frustrated BBCi customers (it's quicker and more efficient on Freeview, which costs NOTHING).

Virgin Media is the poorest excuse for a cable company that I have ever subscribed to, and I go back to the days of Clyde Cable Vision which had about 10 orirginal channels, a lot of cable channels and b****r all else. I'm afraid the viewers have moved on from there, and so should the company.

Hopefully the eventual owners (I presume the asset-strippers...um... 'capital company' won't be there for long) will do a better job. Because, no matter what Sky's ridiculous tactics may be - a) the company which distributes your channels as far as I am concerned does their deals on your behalf and b) Virgin hasn't. It's been there to win points on Sky, and has done a s*** job of doing so. Thank Christ Virgin isn't in charge of anything more important. It's destroyed the entire brand.

The sooner the whole Virgin fiasco ends, the better. It's been the biggest disaster to happen to UK cable (and there's been quite a few) that I have known in my lifetime.


That is perhaps the biggest load of horsesh!t that I have ever read. If I was bored enough, I could easily tear apart each sentence of what you have written, but thankfully I will never be that bored. That you have decided that your opinions should be accepted by everybody else as fact is indicative of your general level of delusion in making that post.

I think the overall quality of your post can in fact be summed up in your assertions that: a) "Sky News is a million times better than News 24" - were that to be the case, it would beg the question of why Sky's ratings have slowly but surely declined since its major studio revamp while News 24's have increased to the point that it is now the decisive ratings winner, even without the help of BBC One simulcasts; and b) the ongoing dispute with BSkyB has "destroyed the Virgin brand" - I've not really seen a great deal of coverage regarding the destruction of the Virgin brand, nor of the inevitable backlash against the dozens of Virgin-branded companies that would surely have resulted from such a massive marketing failure, so again I'm rather confused as to why this evidently false opinion of yours should be accepted by the rest of us.

You've clearly got a bee in your bonnet about something to do with Virgin Media, but externalising your issues through spurious and nonsensical ramblings won't help you to deal with them - so perhaps it's best if you just write them down on your blog or in a diary, and avoid boring us with them through your inane ramblings.
OH
ohwhatanight Founding member
BBC LDN posted:
p_c_u_k posted:
Oh don't be ridiculous.

I'm sorry, but sometimes I wonder whether this thread is being bogged down by people who are in the pay of Virgin Media. I would quickly like to point out that I'm sure that's NOT the case, but the people on this thread are that deluded that I'm wondering.

Here's where I stand. My parents are Virgin Media subscribers. I have a Freeview box in my room. So therefore I have access to the likes of Sky News, which is a million times better than News 24. (Peter f***ing Sissons anyone?)

As far as I'm concerned, Virgin Media is f***ing useless without the likes of Sky One. Sky One is the home to anything remotely useful beyond Sky Sports, Sky Movies etc. It has new Simpons, Lost, 24, Bones, someone else can add to that if they want. But generally, whether it's healthy for TV in the UK or not, it's got it all.

Virgin has Virgin Central, which has f*** all apart from old repeats of Doctor Who and Little Britain. Which sometimes don't work, as evidenced by frustrated BBCi customers (it's quicker and more efficient on Freeview, which costs NOTHING).

Virgin Media is the poorest excuse for a cable company that I have ever subscribed to, and I go back to the days of Clyde Cable Vision which had about 10 orirginal channels, a lot of cable channels and b****r all else. I'm afraid the viewers have moved on from there, and so should the company.

Hopefully the eventual owners (I presume the asset-strippers...um... 'capital company' won't be there for long) will do a better job. Because, no matter what Sky's ridiculous tactics may be - a) the company which distributes your channels as far as I am concerned does their deals on your behalf and b) Virgin hasn't. It's been there to win points on Sky, and has done a s*** job of doing so. Thank Christ Virgin isn't in charge of anything more important. It's destroyed the entire brand.

The sooner the whole Virgin fiasco ends, the better. It's been the biggest disaster to happen to UK cable (and there's been quite a few) that I have known in my lifetime.


That is perhaps the biggest load of horsesh!t that I have ever read. If I was bored enough, I could easily tear apart each sentence of what you have written, but thankfully I will never be that bored. That you have decided that your opinions should be accepted by everybody else as fact is indicative of your general level of delusion in making that post.

I think the overall quality of your post can in fact be summed up in your assertions that: a) "Sky News is a million times better than News 24" - were that to be the case, it would beg the question of why Sky's ratings have slowly but surely declined since its major studio revamp while News 24's have increased to the point that it is now the decisive ratings winner, even without the help of BBC One simulcasts; and b) the ongoing dispute with BSkyB has "destroyed the Virgin brand" - I've not really seen a great deal of coverage regarding the destruction of the Virgin brand, nor of the inevitable backlash against the dozens of Virgin-branded companies that would surely have resulted from such a massive marketing failure, so again I'm rather confused as to why this evidently false opinion of yours should be accepted by the rest of us.

You've clearly got a bee in your bonnet about something to do with Virgin Media, but externalising your issues through spurious and nonsensical ramblings won't help you to deal with them - so perhaps it's best if you just write them down on your blog or in a diary, and avoid boring us with them through your inane ramblings.


Shock horror! I agree with every word BBCLDN has posted! Wink I was going to post something quite similar but decided (like you) that it wasnt worth the effort as im not really that bored either!

One point I would like to mention is what relevance does Clyde Cable have to do with Virgin Media? lol
PC
p_c_u_k
Well I came on here all guns blazing, so I guess I deserved some of it shot back at me.

Yep, the overall tone is a bit arrogant. That's drinking and Saturday for you. But I still stand by the general theme of it. I'm slightly concerned that some people have that much of a bee in their bonnet about it, but there you go.

News 24 v Sky News - two points here: a) are ratings the deciding factor in what is the best news channel?; and b) the ratings for Sky News fell due to the fact it can no longer be viewed in cable channels, and due to a daft plan to introduce 'appointment to view' which has hastily been scrapped. It's now back up and running again and in my opinion is consistently better. News 24 seems to consistently be where the BBC either tries out new presenters who don't know what they're doing on a news channel, or dump people they don't know what to do with (Sissons anyone?)

The Virgin Media brand (and I should maybe have made it clear that this is what I meant) is taking a kicking from this whole dispute. Anyone I speak to is raging about the service on offer from Virgin - whether it be the fact the red button on any BBC channel is unusable, the loss of utter key channels without any reduction in our bills, the poor customer service. It doesn't matter if the media gossips aren't reporting on it, it's what people are saying on the ground.

With regard to what relevance Clyde Cable has - some of us remember in the old days when cable had the best of both worlds. When Sky and BSB were fighting it out, we got both sets of channels. Now we're in the middle of the battleground and we have lost key channels because of it.

I think the fact that Virgin Media is up for sale tells you all you need to know.
OH
ohwhatanight Founding member
p_c_u_k posted:
Well I came on here all guns blazing, so I guess I deserved some of it shot back at me.

Yep, the overall tone is a bit arrogant. That's drinking and Saturday for you. But I still stand by the general theme of it. I'm slightly concerned that some people have that much of a bee in their bonnet about it, but there you go.

News 24 v Sky News - two points here: a) are ratings the deciding factor in what is the best news channel?; and b) the ratings for Sky News fell due to the fact it can no longer be viewed in cable channels, and due to a daft plan to introduce 'appointment to view' which has hastily been scrapped. It's now back up and running again and in my opinion is consistently better. News 24 seems to consistently be where the BBC either tries out new presenters who don't know what they're doing on a news channel, or dump people they don't know what to do with (Sissons anyone?)

The Virgin Media brand (and I should maybe have made it clear that this is what I meant) is taking a kicking from this whole dispute. Anyone I speak to is raging about the service on offer from Virgin - whether it be the fact the red button on any BBC channel is unusable, the loss of utter key channels without any reduction in our bills, the poor customer service. It doesn't matter if the media gossips aren't reporting on it, it's what people are saying on the ground.

With regard to what relevance Clyde Cable has - some of us remember in the old days when cable had the best of both worlds. When Sky and BSB were fighting it out, we got both sets of channels. Now we're in the middle of the battleground and we have lost key channels because of it.

I think the fact that Virgin Media is up for sale tells you all you need to know.


Apology accepted Wink

I have used both NTL and Sky for many years now and feel that both operating systems have their benefits. The broadcasting companies (Sky and Virgin) have totally different morals as a company. (Murdoch v Branson) but both essentially want the same thing - our cash!

Sky have been in this game a long time and have had a stranglehold on providing mass channel distribution for too long now. VIrgin on the other hand have now purchased the conglomeration (sp?) of numerous cables companies, telewest, ntl, clyde (and many more over the years) to provide the customer with ONE coherent brand - Virgin Media.

Virgin still have alot of work and a long way to go before the company is in perfect shape - but they do seem to be trying to battle with Sky on many grounds.

I agree with VM not giving in to bullying tactics from Sky over Sky One, Sky News, Sky Sports etc - I certainly do not miss them off the cable platform and hope that there wont be any price rises in the tv packages soon!

VM now are offering VOD for many thousands of hours of programming, they are the only place to see ALL premiership matches now that they are offering Setanta for free. Also there are plans for a VM sports news channel and still already part own some channels like Living, Trouble and Scifi. They also have V+ with 3 tuners and are starting to acquire some HD content.

As Sky is the market leader VM do have to try harder to get customers and retain them and so are offering much more than Sky.

If we dont give VM some credit when they do seem to be proactively doing something for the customers - we will end up with a monopoly of Sky and I dont think that is good for all of us - the customers!

I agree that VM customer services is bad - but I just accept that is how it is with EVERY company I phone. I cant remember the last time I had decent contact with any customer services.

That'll do for now.
RO
roo
p_c_u_k posted:

The Virgin Media brand (and I should maybe have made it clear that this is what I meant) is taking a kicking from this whole dispute. Anyone I speak to is raging about the service on offer from Virgin - whether it be the fact the red button on any BBC channel is unusable, the loss of utter key channels without any reduction in our bills, the poor customer service. It doesn't matter if the media gossips aren't reporting on it, it's what people are saying on the ground.

Just to pick up on that one point (will leave the rest to someone else) - for a start, the people 'on the ground' are not those complaining about the red button. In fact, outwith media savvy circles, I don't know anybody who touches interactive stuff be it on cable or Sky.
In fact, the only moan I really consistently hear and agree with is the all-round **** of the firmware - sorting that out is a priority I suspect many would put above getting Sky One back any day.
SE
Square Eyes Founding member
Apparently the Setanta / Virgin Sports News channel will launch in time for the start of the football season, that's what MediaGuardian is reporting anyway.

Virgin have had more complaints about the loss of the Sports News channel alone than the other Sky channels.

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