WH
What a load of nonsense. And I'll tell you why.
Firstly, UTV Media Plc is far from "a provincial PSB" at heart. It's a driven media group encompassing radio, TV and interactive services amongst other things. Were they being all sweetness and light when they snatched half of the already fragile TV3's schedule? The idea that their principles are any less business driven than ITV Plc (just because they've got crappy presentation) is ludicrous.
Secondly, 'taking away' UTV and STV will have no bearing on ITV's PSB remit. Consolidation has one obvious benefit, and that's the increase in market share and therefore advertising revenue.
Whataday
Founding member
UTV is still, at its heart a provincial PSB. ITV is a commercial network which is dedicated to the complete removal of any and all non-profit making sections of its licence. One of the main things holding ITV back is the remaining regional broadcasters, who need justification to exist. Take them away, and ITV will finally be able to remove their shackles.
What a load of nonsense. And I'll tell you why.
Firstly, UTV Media Plc is far from "a provincial PSB" at heart. It's a driven media group encompassing radio, TV and interactive services amongst other things. Were they being all sweetness and light when they snatched half of the already fragile TV3's schedule? The idea that their principles are any less business driven than ITV Plc (just because they've got crappy presentation) is ludicrous.
Secondly, 'taking away' UTV and STV will have no bearing on ITV's PSB remit. Consolidation has one obvious benefit, and that's the increase in market share and therefore advertising revenue.
MK
The Republic of Ireland is a foreign country with its own rule, regulations and regulators. It'd be impossible to have a pan-Ireland service with no operational variations either side of the border (as rdd points out). Also, would this mean replacing UTV Live with 'ITV News Ireland' with news from Belfast to Cork? There's no way that'd fly with Ofcom, let alone anyone of a loyalist persuasion,
RO
And as already stated, ITV doesn't have the rights to its own shows in the Republic. Another example is the Rugby World Cup. ITV has the UK rights but not the ROI rights. Same for the 6 nations from 2016. If you want a pan Ireland ITV, then it's possible, but, there would have to be variations, with opt outs for when one region is covering a sporting event that the other region cannot show, or a tv programme that only one region has the rights to.
There is also the fact that adverts would also have to be regionalised. After all, showing an advert for Dublin Bus, promoting a new service between Dalkey and the City centre, is pointless in Portrush, Northern Ireland.
There is also the fact that adverts would also have to be regionalised. After all, showing an advert for Dublin Bus, promoting a new service between Dalkey and the City centre, is pointless in Portrush, Northern Ireland.
NG
There is also the fact that adverts would also have to be regionalised. After all, showing an advert for Dublin Bus, promoting a new service between Dalkey and the City centre, is pointless in Portrush, Northern Ireland.
Plus anything mentioning a price would either need the price to be shown in Pounds and Euros unless they split ad breaks (which they almost certainly would as they do in England across regions)
noggin
Founding member
There is also the fact that adverts would also have to be regionalised. After all, showing an advert for Dublin Bus, promoting a new service between Dalkey and the City centre, is pointless in Portrush, Northern Ireland.
Plus anything mentioning a price would either need the price to be shown in Pounds and Euros unless they split ad breaks (which they almost certainly would as they do in England across regions)
RD
rdd
Founding member
The type of contact UTV Ireland has isn't a PSB licence per se and doesn't have PSB conditions attached. However UTV Ireland have deliberately included PSB type programming in their schedule in order to get Ministerial recognition as a PSB. The main benefit (and the objective of) doing so was to get on Saorview.
:-(
A former member
Hence the reason for Sesame street ?
CH
There is also the fact that adverts would also have to be regionalised. After all, showing an advert for Dublin Bus, promoting a new service between Dalkey and the City centre, is pointless in Portrush, Northern Ireland.
Plus anything mentioning a price would either need the price to be shown in Pounds and Euros unless they split ad breaks (which they almost certainly would as they do in England across regions)
Well UTV proper has been showing ads for Dublin and southern Companies for Decades. In the 90's it was a real boost to UTV income when they were aggressively going after Republic of Ireland advertising budgets. The Strawberry Alarm Clock Breakfast show which goes out on Dublin's FM104 had at least one ad a day going out on UTV Ulster between 3 and 6 in 2014 (I remember because it's an awful ad and co workers used to watch tipping point)
As for Prices, companies just advertise in pounds or euros and then put the line "prices not available in Republic of Ireland" or vica versa. People who live on the lsland North or South are smart enough to know if the side they're on uses pounds or euros
At the end of the day it comes down to Money. In the 80's there were some 10 second slide ads on HTV Wales for Companies in Cork. If an advertiser wants to spend money and it's legal and decent commercial companies will air it.
There is also the fact that adverts would also have to be regionalised. After all, showing an advert for Dublin Bus, promoting a new service between Dalkey and the City centre, is pointless in Portrush, Northern Ireland.
Plus anything mentioning a price would either need the price to be shown in Pounds and Euros unless they split ad breaks (which they almost certainly would as they do in England across regions)
Well UTV proper has been showing ads for Dublin and southern Companies for Decades. In the 90's it was a real boost to UTV income when they were aggressively going after Republic of Ireland advertising budgets. The Strawberry Alarm Clock Breakfast show which goes out on Dublin's FM104 had at least one ad a day going out on UTV Ulster between 3 and 6 in 2014 (I remember because it's an awful ad and co workers used to watch tipping point)
As for Prices, companies just advertise in pounds or euros and then put the line "prices not available in Republic of Ireland" or vica versa. People who live on the lsland North or South are smart enough to know if the side they're on uses pounds or euros
At the end of the day it comes down to Money. In the 80's there were some 10 second slide ads on HTV Wales for Companies in Cork. If an advertiser wants to spend money and it's legal and decent commercial companies will air it.
RI
Are you not familiar with the political history of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
Let's just say there might be a few more issues than when ITV merged two sub regions into one in an English region.
Exactly. This is why I can't see an ITV Ireland happening. I believe the two stations will remain separate (and that ITV may try and chase TV3 next so they have rights to ALL their programming in Ireland therefore gaining more chance of ITV Ireland being viewed). Will be interesting to see what happens with the UTV Continuity Announcers too (can't see Ireland's disappearing as like the Channel Islands it's not part of the UK). If Northern Ireland keeps it's Continuity Announcers, then is there a case for Wales to have it's own Contiunity presentation return? (always thought that went too far, Wales is NOT England. If ITV bought STV I wouldn't expect ITV to have Scottish announcements from London...).
I think ITV will try to get away with simply merging the two channels' identities and call both "ITV Ireland", with the aim of removing all differences between the two as quickly as possible. 95% of presentation will be the general London feed without any special branding, as it is for Wales now.
Are you not familiar with the political history of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
Let's just say there might be a few more issues than when ITV merged two sub regions into one in an English region.
Exactly. This is why I can't see an ITV Ireland happening. I believe the two stations will remain separate (and that ITV may try and chase TV3 next so they have rights to ALL their programming in Ireland therefore gaining more chance of ITV Ireland being viewed). Will be interesting to see what happens with the UTV Continuity Announcers too (can't see Ireland's disappearing as like the Channel Islands it's not part of the UK). If Northern Ireland keeps it's Continuity Announcers, then is there a case for Wales to have it's own Contiunity presentation return? (always thought that went too far, Wales is NOT England. If ITV bought STV I wouldn't expect ITV to have Scottish announcements from London...).
TI
Media Guardian reporting that announcement of ITVs £100m takeover may be made tomorrow (Monday).
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/oct/18/itv-to-announce-100m-takeover-of-utv-medias-television-channels?CMP=twt_a-media_b-gdnmedia
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/oct/18/itv-to-announce-100m-takeover-of-utv-medias-television-channels?CMP=twt_a-media_b-gdnmedia