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DJGM2,572 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Granada North West Today
Obviously it's likely to cost a lot of money, and of course not currently possible, to broadcast all BBC regional news programs in HD, especially since not all the BBC regional studio centres have fully upgraded to HD yet. So why not at least make a start by putting at least one of the regions that are fully HD capable the chance to broadcast their output in HD as part of a gradual roll-out?

BBC London would more than likely get first dibs on this, but at least it'd be a start
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Markymark5,038 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
Obviously it's likely to cost a lot of money, and of course not currently possible, to broadcast all BBC regional news programs in HD, especially since not all the BBC regional studio centres have fully upgraded to HD yet. So why not at least make a start by putting at least one of the regions that are fully HD capable the chance to broadcast their output in HD as part of a gradual roll-out?

BBC London would more than likely get first dibs on this, but at least it'd be a start


There are two issues. One is upgrading the regional studios to HD. The other is having the SD regions upscaled
and shown in their respective areas on BBC 1 HD. The first issue is expensive, and will take time. The second is cheaper (and along with NW, SW, and London being made available on BBC 1 HD) could be implemented in a more cost effective manner, by adopting ITV's scheme of centralised opt switching, (which removes the need
for an HD sustaining chain via each region) It really is about time the Beeb 'manned up' and got on with implementing a similar scheme. It's 2017 FFS.
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Inspector Sands11,444 posts since 25 Aug 2004

London, North West and South West, presumably excluding the Channel Islands. London had their gallery upgraded, NW when they moved into Media City and Plymouth after a refit.

London didn't have theirs upgraded, they just moved into a brand new building that is HD equipped
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noggin12,683 posts since 26 Jun 2001
The second is cheaper (and along with NW, SW, and London being made available on BBC 1 HD) could be implemented in a more cost effective manner, by adopting ITV's scheme of centralised opt switching, (which removes the need
for an HD sustaining chain via each region) It really is about time the Beeb 'manned up' and got on with implementing a similar scheme. It's 2017 FFS.


The BBC are, indeed, planning a migration to this solution - but I don't know the timescale. The commitment to regional content on BBC One HD was part of the new charter renewal we are now in.

I believe the timescale for regional opts on BBC One HD and the timescale for upgrading BBC regional centres to HD are not the same (i.e. SD upscaling will happen).
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Steve in Pudsey8,582 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)

London, North West and South West, presumably excluding the Channel Islands. London had their gallery upgraded, NW when they moved into Media City and Plymouth after a refit.

London didn't have theirs upgraded, they just moved into a brand new building that is HD equipped

Well when they first moved in to BH, to what became Studio V, it was SD.
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elmarko738 posts since 27 Jul 2010
STV Central Reporting Scotland
The red screen makes watching the channel extremely difficult for a long period of time and almost forces you to have to switch the channel.


I suppose that's the whole point. If they put something watchable on BBC One HD, then regional news programmes would probably lose out on a chunk of their potential audience due to people not being fussed enough to turn over. Auntie Beeb clearly doesn't want that, and probably learned that lesson from the era of "UK Today" on digital satellite.

Quote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/BbC4M14YmGHh8Vn52gp9d2/bbc-hd-channel-and-local-news

"...we might find a way for audiences to move more conveniently between HD and SD."


I'm not at all technically minded. If some means exists of triggering all Freeview/Freesat/Sky/Virgin digiboxes that are already tuned to BBC One HD England to automatically switch over to BBC One SD as the regions opt-out, then I'm all for it being implemented ASAP.

Works in other countries, so I guess it could work here? That's mostly for news switching (is it scandanavia somewhere or germany? i forget now, but we've spoken about it here).
a516490 posts since 29 Jan 2010
Central (East) East Midlands Today
The red screen makes watching the channel extremely difficult for a long period of time and almost forces you to have to switch the channel.


I suppose that's the whole point. If they put something watchable on BBC One HD, then regional news programmes would probably lose out on a chunk of their potential audience due to people not being fussed enough to turn over. Auntie Beeb clearly doesn't want that, and probably learned that lesson from the era of "UK Today" on digital satellite.

Quote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/BbC4M14YmGHh8Vn52gp9d2/bbc-hd-channel-and-local-news

"...we might find a way for audiences to move more conveniently between HD and SD."


I'm not at all technically minded. If some means exists of triggering all Freeview/Freesat/Sky/Virgin digiboxes that are already tuned to BBC One HD England to automatically switch over to BBC One SD as the regions opt-out, then I'm all for it being implemented ASAP.

Works in other countries, so I guess it could work here? That's mostly for news switching (is it scandanavia somewhere or germany? i forget now, but we've spoken about it here).

Used in Scandinavia, Germany and Austria, PID switching isn't supported by Sky UK receivers.
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Brekkie27,841 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today
Obviously it's likely to cost a lot of money, and of course not currently possible, to broadcast all BBC regional news programs in HD, especially since not all the BBC regional studio centres have fully upgraded to HD yet. So why not at least make a start by putting at least one of the regions that are fully HD capable the chance to broadcast their output in HD as part of a gradual roll-out?

BBC London would more than likely get first dibs on this, but at least it'd be a start


There are two issues. One is upgrading the regional studios to HD. The other is having the SD regions upscaled
and shown in their respective areas on BBC 1 HD. The first issue is expensive, and will take time. The second is cheaper (and along with NW, SW, and London being made available on BBC 1 HD) could be implemented in a more cost effective manner, by adopting ITV's scheme of centralised opt switching, (which removes the need
for an HD sustaining chain via each region) It really is about time the Beeb 'manned up' and got on with implementing a similar scheme. It's 2017 FFS.

Most viewers won't care if the "HD" picture is upscaled or not - they just don't want the hassle of changing the channel.
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TedJrr148 posts since 11 Sep 2005
Anglia (East) Look East
Used in Scandinavia, Germany and Austria, PID switching isn't supported by Sky UK receivers.


Indeed not, but in the early days of D-Sat it was proposed by the BBC as a technical solution to managing regional opt-outs. The killer wasn't really a technical perspective, but BSkyB's insistence on a huge indemnity from the BBC to allow for disruption to the stability of the platform. OK? Well no, not really OK. IMHO Sky got away with a monopolistic slight of hand.

But now, lots has changed.

(a) The Sky Platform is so mature, stability ought not to be an issue.

(b) When Sky substitute adverts (AdSmart) off local HDD, it is really seamless. Nobody actually notices.

(c) With the Competition Commission enquiry into the Fox takeover going on; OfCom could pretty well ask for anything.

(d) It's in Sky's interest to be really nice to the BBC, even if they actually hate them.

(e) You bet that the BBC would actually get away with ITV bailing them for half the cost of making it work with FreeSat too.

(f) By 2020, they have to have engineered this for DTT anyway.
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