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LL
London Lite Founding member
Has anyone else noticed a slight improvement to the PQ on the SD version of Gold? Makes me wonder if UKTV are down converting the HD feed.
NG
noggin Founding member
Has anyone else noticed a slight improvement to the PQ on the SD version of Gold? Makes me wonder if UKTV are down converting the HD feed.


For SD programmes that would potentially make things worse, not better, as you'd be down-converting an up-convert, which tends to knock the edges off the picture a bit (though this may make the content slightly easier to compress at a given bit rate I guess, assuming you don't get any aliasing introduced, which has the opposite effect)

(The BBC accepted this quality loss when they moved to BBC One SD being a down convert from BBC One HD, mainly because fewer and fewer SD shows are broadcast)

For HD originations you are only moving the downconversion process from upstream to downstream - so I guess a quality change for that would be a result of the downconverter being of different quality? (Downconverting HD to SD is a non-trivial exercise - and arguably just as, if not more, difficult than up converting - as you have to handle aliasing properly)
SD
sda|


(The BBC accepted this quality loss when they moved to BBC One SD being a down convert from BBC One HD, mainly because fewer and fewer SD shows are broadcast)



The BBC's SD stuff went down to an odd quality when this switchover occured, looking excessively soft and edges of captions and logos were looking like a field was missing, though it's not as bad as it was.

GOLD HD is like a master tape by comparison!
Last edited by sda| on 19 October 2017 6:20pm

12 days later

RO
rob Founding member
After promising to show every single episode of The Bill from the start, Drama have just announced they're jumping forward 10 years from Monday due to "demand"



JA
JAS84
What demand? I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason is that for some reason they don't have the rights to the seasons they're skipping.
MW
Mike W
They do have the rights to some of the series they're skipping, but the 'soapy era' began end of 98, which is where I guess they'll skip to in a bid to try and reel in new viewers.

Quote:
11:00am
The Bill
Digging Up the Past
Season 4 Episode 47/

CID investigates the discovery of human remains at a building site

Rating: 5.5
11:30am
The Bill
Taken Into Consideration
Season 4 Episode 48/

Carver and Dashwood try to put away Kevin Boswell, who they suspect is behind a spate of burglaries

Rating: 5.5
12:00pm
The Bill
Getting It Right
Season 5 Episode 1/

Burnside is given the wrong information by Ramsey before an early morning raid

Rating: 5.5
12:30pm
The Bill
Reflection of Glory
Season 5 Episode 2/

Ramsey and Haynes speak to a shoplifter who claims she is innocent, but, while they are out the back, the shop is held up

Rating: 5.5

There was the schedule for Monday 6th Nov, end of Series 4 and start of 5... Really annoying for those of us enjoying dipping into the earlier series.
TE
tesandco Founding member
I would have thought 'due to demand' is just the PR-savvy way of saying 'the ratings on these older ones aren't as high as they were on newer ones' rather than referring to any active demand from people, but I certainly don't envy being the person who has to try and put the positive spin on this. It is a shame given what a huge campaign they did to launch this in the first place. Although given everyone just uploads the full episodes to Youtube now without the costs UKTV has to incur, it was always going to be a challenge for them to make it work.

(Although on the flipside, announcing you're skipping 10 seasons, letting it flood through social media channels, then suddenly posting you've changed your mind after listening to the valued viewers would be a good way to get some publicity and attention back to your showings too! Razz)
Last edited by tesandco on 31 October 2017 12:59pm
:-(
A former member
Who think there will back track because of so called public outcry which also leads to a improvement in the ratings? Ie there caused this to stir the pot.
VM
VMPhil
From a technical point of view though, does anyone else find the bitrate for Drama absolutely appalling? Like, to the point of being unwatchable? It's really bad.
JA
james-2001
It's clearly a load of ****- and quite obviously a last minute decision. The schedules were published for next week and the week after showing Series 5 beginning next Monday, Virgin Media's EPG even this afternoon had listings up to the 15th November- showing episodes up to Series 5 episodes 15 and 16 that day (complete with synopsis for all 16 Series 5 episodes). It was literally only last night that TV listings suddenly started changing to show them jumping to Series 14 next week. It's clearly a very last minute decision, and I struggle to beleive it's anything to do with "viewer demand". Why would they go to the effort of scheduling Series 5, send those schedules out (it's still listed that way in the TV magazines for next week) then suddenly change it less than a week before broadcast?

It's quite clearly a rights issue which has come to light at the 11th hour, and I wish they'd just be honest with the viewers rather than fob us off with an excuse about "viewer demand" which nobody believes. Look at Drama's social media pages, people are angry and none of them want them to skip ahead 10 years.
Last edited by james-2001 on 31 October 2017 8:36pm
DB
dbl
I would have thought 'due to demand' is just the PR-savvy way of saying 'the ratings on these older ones aren't as high as they were on newer ones' rather than referring to any active demand from people

You've sussed it.
JA
james-2001
Also, if it is a rights issue, and they get it sorted and start showing Series 5- will viewers come back? Many of us (myself included) have got ourselves invested in these repeats only to have them snatched away after only 2 months (after being promised every episode- and that's exactly what the press releases back in August said), if it comes back will people want to start watching and try and re-invest and then find it happens all over again? Drama have lost viewer's trust, doubly for not even being honest with us about the reasons for it. I don't believe for one second there's viewer demand to skip forward to episodes that have been repeated countless times (and would be repeated again quickly enough anyway at the pace they're being shown).

I don't believe the late 80s/early 90s episodes have been shown for around 20 years, certainly since we got cable in 1999 the furthest I've ever seen them go back is 1993, and even that was way back in 2001. It's been in a limbo of 1998 onwards ever since.

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