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UK Gold 'in vision' sign language

(November 2001)

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CY
cyberjef28
I think it is really irritating and spoils the enjoyment of programmes. I am not unsympathetic towards deaf people, but we do have 888 and Digital Subtitles services. I see no need for in vision sign language. Its even more distracting on 4:3 broadcasts ! At least in 16:9 you can stick them in a corner.

See blakes 7 this morning on UK Gold. Avon and Dayna don't look to happy to have her there stealing their screen presence Wink

http://www.tvhome.f2s.com/ikonboard/upload/blakes7_signed.jpg

What do you think?Sad
IT
itsrobert Founding member
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MG
MikeG
Some programmes are not subtitles - mainly older ones (like Blakes 7).

Anyway, deaf people have a right to have SOME programmes tailored for them. Not all deaf people can stay up till 1am on a weekday night to watch some BBC One programmes with signing.

I have to defend this subject as I know how to sign and can understand why broadcasters do this.
JA
james2001 Founding member
Ive heard Digital TV Comapnies are working on a way to have the signing woman on or off, therefore enabling more programmes to be signed, rather a limited few (and some of these are only signed on DTT/Digicable e.g. hollyoaks and some C5 documentries).
JA
james2001 Founding member
cyberjef28 posted:
See blakes 7 this morning on UK Gold. Avon and Dayna don't look to happy to have her there stealing their screen presence Wink

http://www.tvhome.f2s.com/ikonboard/upload/blakes7_signed.jpg

What do you think?Sad

It looks like the sign woman is playing with her breasts!
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ryan
Get rid of 'in-vision' and stick to subtitles - that's my vote.
LS
Larry Scutta
Is a legal requirement for channels on DTT. 1% in the first year and rising by 1% year on year IIRC

Most channels only have them on repeats or Omnibus' editions.
MG
MikeG
Yes, Hollyoaks' omnibus on DigCab has signing - but the analogue version doesn't. Seems unfair for analogue deaf viewers!

BTW: Subtitles regularly go wrong. Signing can't can it?
GR
thegreenfairy
Also, many deaf people don't 'speak' English they speak signing, so subtitles are of very little use to them

I really don't think that on-screen signijng hurts that much - if it annoys you then don't watch it, and be glad that you are in the part of the population who have 2% of programmes 'spoilt' by having signing, noth the part that has 98% spoilt because it doesn't.

Personally, I have often watched the repeats of Ally McBeal on a night when they have been signed - and it doesn't distract me at all.

And yes, whoever mentioned the legal requirement to include in-vision signing on Digital TV was right. Switchable signers are being worked on, but many have been unpopular with deaf viewers.
JA
Jason
<sigh>

It's a public service.

Do you people not care about public service broadcasting?

That's the reason TV is in the shape it's in.
GR
thegreenfairy
Strictly speaking, of course, UKGold isn't a public service broadcaster but I know what you mean.

I think a lot of people suport public service broadcasting - but just as long as THEY are the public being served. Just look at the hoo-har when BBC 2W was started from people outside Wales, or when the BBC decides to serve the public with some interactive features but DTT/Cable viewers cannot get them.
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Marcus Founding member
Don't worry about UK Gold programmes being signed. You only have to wait a couple of days for the programme to be shown again

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