MA
Jay, I'm surprised at you.
I know it often seems something that is more relevant to old people (perhaps more so as time goes on), but think of it this way.
I'm 32, which may be older than the average for this forum, but it's hardly ancient. We are further away from me being born, than me being born was to the second world war, when people OF YOUR AGE (which is easy to forget when you see pensioners recall what happened) died in their millions, on both sides of the conflict.
What is actually more frightening to me (than the events of war itself) is the fact that only a few decades ago, Hitler was able to pursue the campaign of evil that he did. It seems unimaginable today. It was not a long time ago. It is recent history.
I know it often seems something that is more relevant to old people (perhaps more so as time goes on), but think of it this way.
I'm 32, which may be older than the average for this forum, but it's hardly ancient. We are further away from me being born, than me being born was to the second world war, when people OF YOUR AGE (which is easy to forget when you see pensioners recall what happened) died in their millions, on both sides of the conflict.
What is actually more frightening to me (than the events of war itself) is the fact that only a few decades ago, Hitler was able to pursue the campaign of evil that he did. It seems unimaginable today. It was not a long time ago. It is recent history.
MA
To be fair, he could be a conscientious objector.
And the only reason he could be a conscientious objector is because of the freedom which exists in this country as a result of the actions of those who fought in the second world war. Otherwise he'd have been shot for refusing to fight.
Neil Green posted:
DJGM posted:
If we still had National Service, and you were called up to serve your country,
you wouldn't be allowed
to refuse.
To be fair, he could be a conscientious objector.
And the only reason he could be a conscientious objector is because of the freedom which exists in this country as a result of the actions of those who fought in the second world war. Otherwise he'd have been shot for refusing to fight.
TV
To be fair, he could be a conscientious objector.
based on his posts in this thread conscientious is not a word i would use to describe jay. i think ignorant is more apt.
tvmercia
Founding member
Neil Green posted:
DJGM posted:
If we still had National Service, and you were called up to serve your country,
you wouldn't be allowed
to refuse.
To be fair, he could be a conscientious objector.
based on his posts in this thread conscientious is not a word i would use to describe jay. i think ignorant is more apt.
NE
That's a bit of a dubious argument, seeing as there were conscientious objectors during WW2. And they didn't get shot.
marksi posted:
And the only reason he could be a conscientious objector is because of the freedom which exists in this country as a result of the actions of those who fought in the second world war. Otherwise he'd have been shot for refusing to fight.
That's a bit of a dubious argument, seeing as there were conscientious objectors during WW2. And they didn't get shot.
MA
That's a bit of a dubious argument, seeing as there were conscientious objectors during WW2. And they didn't get shot.
in Germany? Really?
Neil Green posted:
marksi posted:
And the only reason he could be a conscientious objector is because of the freedom which exists in this country as a result of the actions of those who fought in the second world war. Otherwise he'd have been shot for refusing to fight.
That's a bit of a dubious argument, seeing as there were conscientious objectors during WW2. And they didn't get shot.
in Germany? Really?
NW
I said something similar on the TV Ark Forum the other day, basically I work at Morrisons and we had to observe the two minutes silence one week after the London Bombings with a tannoy announcement consistently asking customers to observe the silence at 12.00pm. When 12.00pm we HAD to stop serving which is always the case with silences, but you still had old people not giving a damn and using the silence as an excuse to get to the front of the queues, even though we weren't serving. I wasn't in work today but guaranteed not everyone no matter what age won't observe it.
TG posted:
Personally I find the older generation far WORSE.
I work in Tesco, and we ran a two minute silence both today and Friday.
Both times, the entire place came to a halt - save for a couple of this fabled older generation. THEY chose to shout at people for getting in their way, be extremely rude to staff who stood silently, and actually shoved people with their trollies when asked to fall silent.
And THEY are the ones who say WE have no respect!
I work in Tesco, and we ran a two minute silence both today and Friday.
Both times, the entire place came to a halt - save for a couple of this fabled older generation. THEY chose to shout at people for getting in their way, be extremely rude to staff who stood silently, and actually shoved people with their trollies when asked to fall silent.
And THEY are the ones who say WE have no respect!
I said something similar on the TV Ark Forum the other day, basically I work at Morrisons and we had to observe the two minutes silence one week after the London Bombings with a tannoy announcement consistently asking customers to observe the silence at 12.00pm. When 12.00pm we HAD to stop serving which is always the case with silences, but you still had old people not giving a damn and using the silence as an excuse to get to the front of the queues, even though we weren't serving. I wasn't in work today but guaranteed not everyone no matter what age won't observe it.
AN
From what I could hear, the local stations round my way wern't broadcasting silence but instead stayed with the feed of Big Ben, so after the chimes you got the sound of wind hitting a microphone
Andrew
Founding member
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Any radio stations forget to turn off the silence detectors this year?
From what I could hear, the local stations round my way wern't broadcasting silence but instead stayed with the feed of Big Ben, so after the chimes you got the sound of wind hitting a microphone
CW
I don't think you quite get the point of conscription do you?
They're irrelevant to you are they? Are you sure? If conscription were ever employed again, you probably would be able to refuse as a conscienteous objector without being ostricised and thrown into jail for it as happen in the 1st and 2nd world wars - such treatment would doubtless breach human rights legislation.
Where did that legislation come from? The EU? Where did the union that ended up becoming the EU today come from? It was created in the aftermath of world war II in order to help prevent another war in Europe (and a possible 3rd world war) from happening. And whatever anyone feels about the EU, it has at least prevented that. Are you sure it's not relevant to you?
You don't realise that the 2nd world war only ended 50 years ago don't you? That your grandparents lived through it? That most of the buildings around you and in all likelihood the school you went to existed before it? You speak as though it is an event from the dark ages, but it's not, it IS modern day.
cwathen
Founding member
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If it did, I'd refuse.
And I'm over 18.
And I'm over 18.
I don't think you quite get the point of conscription do you?
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The First and Second World Wars are irrelevant to me. I respect those that fought and died for it, but I'm not interested.
They're irrelevant to you are they? Are you sure? If conscription were ever employed again, you probably would be able to refuse as a conscienteous objector without being ostricised and thrown into jail for it as happen in the 1st and 2nd world wars - such treatment would doubtless breach human rights legislation.
Where did that legislation come from? The EU? Where did the union that ended up becoming the EU today come from? It was created in the aftermath of world war II in order to help prevent another war in Europe (and a possible 3rd world war) from happening. And whatever anyone feels about the EU, it has at least prevented that. Are you sure it's not relevant to you?
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Modern day things, like the London bombings, are relevant to me. I am interested in them.
You don't realise that the 2nd world war only ended 50 years ago don't you? That your grandparents lived through it? That most of the buildings around you and in all likelihood the school you went to existed before it? You speak as though it is an event from the dark ages, but it's not, it IS modern day.
JA
jay
Founding member
Seems I've caused a bit of upset, which is understandable...but I did say that I did respect those that fought and died for me and my country.
I observed the two minutes silence on Friday, the 11th of the 11th of the 11th, like everyone else. Of course I am grateful to those that fought and died - this country would be totally different without them.
What I am saying is that why should we be subjected to all of this promp and noncy foncy stuff - as a 19 year old I don't want to see old people marching past a concrete post - which in its essence - is all it really is.
Yes, OK - I don't object for one minute that it is to respect the servicemen and women without whom I probably wouldn't be here today - but surely a two minutes silence is enough??
I am also - I'd like to point out - entitled to my own opinions and thoughts on whatever subject I choose. Just because someone doesn't agree with what I've said doesn't give them the right to call me arogant or anything else.
I was actually caught up in the London bombs on the 7th and the attempted bombs on 21st July. I've never been so scared in my life - that, to me, is FAR more relevant than something that happened 60 years ago.
It's like my Grandparents said when an advert came on for 7/7 on BBC ONE on Wednesday, they have no interest in that whatsoever - but did I call them arogant and totally dismiss their remarks? Of course not - they respect the things that affect me and I respect things that affected them.
I observed the two minutes silence on Friday, the 11th of the 11th of the 11th, like everyone else. Of course I am grateful to those that fought and died - this country would be totally different without them.
What I am saying is that why should we be subjected to all of this promp and noncy foncy stuff - as a 19 year old I don't want to see old people marching past a concrete post - which in its essence - is all it really is.
Yes, OK - I don't object for one minute that it is to respect the servicemen and women without whom I probably wouldn't be here today - but surely a two minutes silence is enough??
I am also - I'd like to point out - entitled to my own opinions and thoughts on whatever subject I choose. Just because someone doesn't agree with what I've said doesn't give them the right to call me arogant or anything else.
I was actually caught up in the London bombs on the 7th and the attempted bombs on 21st July. I've never been so scared in my life - that, to me, is FAR more relevant than something that happened 60 years ago.
It's like my Grandparents said when an advert came on for 7/7 on BBC ONE on Wednesday, they have no interest in that whatsoever - but did I call them arogant and totally dismiss their remarks? Of course not - they respect the things that affect me and I respect things that affected them.
JA
jay
Founding member
...and I'd also like to point out that in this day and age - conscription would not happen.
Too many people have their own opinions these days - some strongly object to war and would refuse to go - many would probably prefer to go to jail than be killed in Iraq or some other God-foresaken country. I know I would.
Too many people have their own opinions these days - some strongly object to war and would refuse to go - many would probably prefer to go to jail than be killed in Iraq or some other God-foresaken country. I know I would.