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How are TV Shows edited?

(March 2012)

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Orry Verducci
mdtauk posted:
Depends if they have Macs installed or PCs

I wouldn't agree with that, I use Premiere on both Macs and PCs. Those Macs also have FCP7, but I use Premiere because I prefer it.
LL
Larry the Loafer
mdtauk posted:
Larry the Loafer posted:
Why isn't Premiere Pro more widely used? I don't mind FCP but I find Premiere a lot more useable.


Depends if they have Macs installed or PCs


To echo Orry, I have a Mac and I've used both, but I favour Premiere.
NG
noggin Founding member
Mr-Stabby posted:
noggin posted:
FCP X is deemed a major problem for the broadcast areas that used FCP 7 and earlier (or FCS 3 and earlier) and Premiere Pro is seen as a possible way forward.


It's a shame really, because FCPX has the potential to actually be a very useful editor for smaller regions that use VJ's , but they released it far too early in my opinion. It's missing some really key features and the new timeline was just too different. They really shot themselves in the foot. They are improving it slowly, the new multicam feature is I think even better than the one in FCP7, and they are finally improving XML import and export capabilities. I believe you can even import FCP7 projects now with some 3rd party software. Broadcast monitoring has also just recently reappeared. They still have a way to go though.

I hope that the industry takes a look at FCPX in some time, because once the whole 'version 1' problems are ironed out, I think it has the potential to be a great piece of software. It doesn't deserve to be ignored.


AIUI - and I'm not an editor - there are still woeful issues with audio track control and group working across multiple edits.
PE
peterrocket Founding member
noggin posted:


AIUI - and I'm not an editor - there are still woeful issues with audio track control and group working across multiple edits.


The FCP X issues are causing many of the firms who moved from Avid to FCP 7 converts to go back to Avid. FCP started taking over when it became a real contender to Avid. There was a time you could get a decent SDI FCP editing system for £4k yet the Avid equivalent was almost three times that, and that was even Avid Xpress never mind Media Composer. Avid tended to stick to it's own hardware, so that meant drives, I/O (Meridian) and all sorts of extra rubbish.

Now it seems Avid have opened their eyes and dropped the price, custom hardware requirements and are chasing the FCP converts who are due for an upgrade - with many going back to Avid.

FCP never had a decent 'media sharing' which many broadcasters now rely on. There were workarounds, but FCP X has pretty much made the whole concept of shared storage null and void for now.

I've been using both for years for broadcast work and have no real preference. I tried FCP X recently and despite it looking nice and shiny with a few nice features - it's still rubbish for the pro user delivering broadcast output.
WE
Welshy
The other issue with FCPX is that there's no way to edit to tape. Of course, eventually, all shows will be delivered to broadcast via files; but we're still a long way off that being the norm - and given that most shows are still delivered on tape these days, using FCPX just isn't practical. That's even before you start getting into the fact that its interface is completely different to previous versions of FCP.

Did anyone see this Conan O'Brian feature when FCPX launched? Laughing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxKYuF9pENQ
FB
Fluffy Bunny Feet
noggin posted:
Mr-Stabby posted:
noggin posted:
FCP X is deemed a major problem for the broadcast areas that used FCP 7 and earlier (or FCS 3 and earlier) and Premiere Pro is seen as a possible way forward.


It's a shame really, because FCPX has the potential to actually be a very useful editor for smaller regions that use VJ's , but they released it far too early in my opinion. It's missing some really key features and the new timeline was just too different. They really shot themselves in the foot. They are improving it slowly, the new multicam feature is I think even better than the one in FCP7, and they are finally improving XML import and export capabilities. I believe you can even import FCP7 projects now with some 3rd party software. Broadcast monitoring has also just recently reappeared. They still have a way to go though.

I hope that the industry takes a look at FCPX in some time, because once the whole 'version 1' problems are ironed out, I think it has the potential to be a great piece of software. It doesn't deserve to be ignored.


AIUI - and I'm not an editor - there are still woeful issues with audio track control and group working across multiple edits.


I've worked with both Mac and PC avids and there's not much difference. Sound edits on avid from my experience appear to be easier if you have decent monitoring. I've used a bit of FCP and the little time I had I found setting up global sound changes a pain. But then again I may have been shown wrong.

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