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RDJ2,684 posts since 25 Oct 2003
Central (South) Midlands Today
Which towns/cities or regions of the UK are served by one region for BBC and another for ITV?

Oxfordshire was served by ATV and Central until a decade or so ago, but part of the South East, and later South region of BBC.

Are there - or were there - anomalies in Gloucestershire (BBC West/ITV Central)?


What was the Central South area was served by a combination of BBC Midlands, West, South and South East over its life span.

Herefordshire were served by Central South and BBC Midlands back in the day, and so was Gloucestershire but only really the northern half of Gloucestershire (what was reached by the Ridge Hill transmitter, which ironically included the majority of the counties most populous towns).

Indeed nowadays Gloucestershire is still represented by Central West unofficially should there be a story based in Gloucester, Tewkesbury or Cheltenham. But it will almost certainly be an ITV West report just rebadged. Freeview viewers most likely receive Central West where I think Satellite and Cable viewers receive ITV West.
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Inspector Sands13,595 posts since 25 Aug 2004
Which towns/cities or regions of the UK are served by one region for BBC and another for ITV?

The Border TV region was never matched by the BBC. Even now it isn't - The English bit gets it's own version of ITV North East but has the BBC don't. The Scottish bit gets BBC Scotland and ITV Border. IIRC The Isle of Man gets the same on both
London Lite10,370 posts since 4 Jan 2003
London London
Sky/Freesat postcode allocations have made it more than ever that you could receive your local news from two different regions.

NW Kent boroughs of Dartford, Gravesham and Sevenoaks have BBC1 SE and ITV London, same for parts of East Surrey and Crawley/East Grinstead/Forest Row. These areas are on Freeview officially served by by the London region.

South Essex is another oddity. Towns such as Basildon, Grays and Southend are BBC London editorially, while ITV is a mix of London, Meridian and Anglia. If a story happens in Grays for example, despite it's proximity to London, it's more likely to end up on the Meridian East bulletin with a crew sent from Maidstone than from GiN or Norwich. Some viewers in Southend can watch the London, East/Anglia East or SE (which doesn't cover the town)/Meridian East. I'm not sure what the official mapping is for those towns on Sky/Freesat.

Cheltenham has BBC Midlands Today, while ITV have ITV West and ITV Central West from Ridge Hill.
Si-Co2,122 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Which towns/cities or regions of the UK are served by one region for BBC and another for ITV?

The Border TV region was never matched by the BBC. Even now it isn't - The English bit gets it's own version of ITV North East but has the BBC don't. The Scottish bit gets BBC Scotland and ITV Border. IIRC The Isle of Man gets the same on both


I was going to mention the Border region as there was never a BBC region that corresponds, even approximately. Northern Cumbria has been served by BBC North East for the most part, except for a period when I think was served by BBC North West. Southern Cumbria (South Lakes) may have changed hands between Border and Granada at some point, or perhaps I’m getting mixed up.

The IoM was always Border’s until quite recently when it went to Granada - and I think the BBC service was historically NE&C but has changed to North West. ISTR during the analogue days the transmitter on the island was fed by Caldbeck/Sandale but switched onto Winter Hill for the news opts only (as the feed from Cumbria was more reliable).

Was Berwick always served by BBC NE&C, despite receiving ITV Border prior to DSO? It would make little sense for those in Berwick to get BBC Scotland.

I only discovered recently that Haltwhistle in Northumberland receives Border, and Alston in Cumbria receives Tyne Tees - the transmitter network not following the county boundaries of course.
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Richard902 posts since 22 Apr 2012
Granada North West Today
Which towns/cities or regions of the UK are served by one region for BBC and another for ITV?

The Border TV region was never matched by the BBC. Even now it isn't - The English bit gets it's own version of ITV North East but has the BBC don't. The Scottish bit gets BBC Scotland and ITV Border. IIRC The Isle of Man gets the same on both


I was going to mention the Border region as there was never a BBC region that corresponds, even approximately. Northern Cumbria has been served by BBC North East for the most part, except for a period when I think was served by BBC North West. Southern Cumbria (South Lakes) may have changed hands between Border and Granada at some point, or perhaps I’m getting mixed up.

The IoM was always Border’s until quite recently when it went to Granada - and I think the BBC service was historically NE&C but has changed to North West. ISTR during the analogue days the transmitter on the island was fed by Caldbeck/Sandale but switched onto Winter Hill for the news opts only (as the feed from Cumbria was more reliable).

Was Berwick always served by BBC NE&C, despite receiving ITV Border prior to DSO? It would make little sense for those in Berwick to get BBC Scotland.

I only discovered recently that Haltwhistle in Northumberland receives Border, and Alston in Cumbria receives Tyne Tees - the transmitter network not following the county boundaries of course.


The IOM did use to be Border, yes, but it was only NE&C during non-regional programming because there was a better signal from Sandale than Winter Hill. There feed would switch to Winter Hill for opt outs (with a noticeable “splat”). The Ceefax region would change over at this point, although both regions had IOM stories on the same page (169 I think) so the island’s news was always available.
robertclark1251,388 posts since 13 Jan 2009
STV Central Reporting Scotland
AFAIK Berwick has always been BBC NE&C. When on holiday in Whitley Bay with my parents in 1991, it was the weekend the Scottish Football leagues started, and the Saturday evening Look North gave out the score of the Berwick Rangers match, Berwick playing in the Scottish Leagues.

I've mentioned elsewhere an island on the west coast of Scotland, which receives STV central, but the BBC service is BBC Northern Ireland. Can't remember which it is/was.
Markymark6,733 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
Which towns/cities or regions of the UK are served by one region for BBC and another for ITV?

The Border TV region was never matched by the BBC. Even now it isn't - The English bit gets it's own version of ITV North East but has the BBC don't. The Scottish bit gets BBC Scotland and ITV Border. IIRC The Isle of Man gets the same on both


I was going to mention the Border region as there was never a BBC region that corresponds, even approximately. Northern Cumbria has been served by BBC North East for the most part, except for a period when I think was served by BBC North West. Southern Cumbria (South Lakes) may have changed hands between Border and Granada at some point, or perhaps I’m getting mixed up.

The IoM was always Border’s until quite recently when it went to Granada - and I think the BBC service was historically NE&C but has changed to North West. ISTR during the analogue days the transmitter on the island was fed by Caldbeck/Sandale but switched onto Winter Hill for the news opts only (as the feed from Cumbria was more reliable).

Was Berwick always served by BBC NE&C, despite receiving ITV Border prior to DSO? It would make little sense for those in Berwick to get BBC Scotland.


Berwick BBC 1/2 has always been fed from the Chatton transmitter. Chatton (which serves most of central and northern Northmberland) only came into service in 1974. The Berwick relay came on air in 1977, and as you say carried Chatton (BBC NE) from the outset.

Up until then viewers in the area had to get what they could long distance, I think Berwick was actually best served from Durris (Aberdeen !). Radio from there and the Scottish east coast romps into the town

Selkirk Border UHF came on line in March 1972 (BBC 1/2 Scotland followed in May 73) and fed Berwick
for ITV from 77 ) until it was switched to Chatton (Tyne Tees) in Dec 2006.

It was partly 'politics' and partly engineering, as with DTT it complicates the SI/EPG tables if different
muxes are fed from different regional parents. Same reason the IoM became unified as Winter Hill dependant,
though that was a little more 'political', didn't Ofcom ask the islanders what they preferred ?

The south lakes relays are an exception. They were Winter Hill for BBC and ITV until Jan 1982, when they were transferred to Border, (but remained with Winter Hill for the Beeb). That continues post DSO, with special SI/EPG arrangements
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dvboy9,792 posts since 11 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today
I believe much of Lincolnshire is served by ITV Yorkshire but BBC East Midlands (so the regional news may be Nottingham-biased on the BBC but Leeds-biased on YTV).

It's been mentioned before that the Lincoln Central relay used to carry ITV Yorkshire (east) and BBC East Midlands. Now I believe it's a relay of Belmont for both.

For the most part the county is covered by Belmont but you'll find aerials pointing in other directions picking up East Midlands/Central East over Grantham way, Anglia/East in the south, and Leeds programmes in the north and west of the county.

Living in different houses in Lincoln in the early 2000s it was never the same in all. In one house in the west of the city we had aerials pointing towards Emley Moor. Sky carried the Hull programmes but NTL cable showed BBC East Midlands with a choice of ITV Central or Yorkshire in the analogue days. The university showed East Midlands programmes on its distribution but had a Sky box connected to it so once they were available others could be requested (there was a booking system if you wanted a specific channel at a specific time).
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Revolution342 posts since 27 Oct 2005
London London
1) Has anyone proven that The Big Breakfast theme was inspired by Depeche Mode's 'See You'?

2) The break bumpers in this 1979 ad collection (see 2:02, 3:03 for examples), a region thing or not? Were these the earliest examples of a break bumper?

Whataday9,933 posts since 13 Sep 2001
HTV Wales Wales Today
1) Has anyone proven that The Big Breakfast theme was inspired by Depeche Mode's 'See You'


That song itself references Then He Kissed Me:



Also, The Big Breakfast and CBBC are variations on the same theme:



I find similarities in the Live & Kicking theme too, but others don't seem to spot it.
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