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davidhorman
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As for someone dying on cam, everyone seems to have forgotten the bloke shown dying of cancer about 5/6 years ago. That was described as the "last taboo" then. The poor man has obviously been forgotten for his role in that. I can't remember whether it was BBC TWO or C4.


You're not the only one to wonder why that hasn't been brought up - I think it was BBC One, because it was in one of the last episodes, if not the last, of The Human Body. Very moving it was too. I don't remember if there was any fuss about it at the time.

David
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stevek
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No the last taboo" is a Fully erected Penis


you mean a fully erect HUMAN penis Shocked

personally I'd rather see a stiff dick that a rotting corpse or cannibalism but maybe that's just me

any way I've committed the cardinal sin and gone off topic. Talking of sin and all things mildly religious songs of praise was rigged when they filmed the Christmas and easter programmes on the same day
(see how i got back on topic there Very Happy )
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you are a clever dick Laughing
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tvarksouthwest
davidhorman posted:
You're not the only one to wonder why that hasn't been brought up - I think it was BBC One, because it was in one of the last episodes, if not the last, of The Human Body. Very moving it was too. I don't remember if there was any fuss about it at the time.

David

Indeed, I remember the programme in question, and I hope the message boards of the tabloids whose lazy hacks seemed to have conveniently forgotten that TV "has done death" before are now full of corrective messages from readers!
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davidhorman
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you mean a fully erect HUMAN penis


The Human Body did that one too, albeit in infra-red. Then there was Channel 4 showing Idioterne (The Idiots) , and the occasional oversight in the background of various documentaries on pornography...

David
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
davidhorman posted:
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As for someone dying on cam, everyone seems to have forgotten the bloke shown dying of cancer about 5/6 years ago. That was described as the "last taboo" then. The poor man has obviously been forgotten for his role in that. I can't remember whether it was BBC TWO or C4.


You're not the only one to wonder why that hasn't been brought up - I think it was BBC One, because it was in one of the last episodes, if not the last, of The Human Body.


It was aired on BBC One, went out in the 9:30pm slot (in the days of the Nine O' Clock News) and it was the very last episode of the series of 'The Human Body' and it dates from 1998.
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gilsta
davidhorman posted:
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you mean a fully erect HUMAN penis


The Human Body did that one too, albeit in infra-red. Then there was Channel 4 showing Idioterne (The Idiots) , and the occasional oversight in the background of various documentaries on pornography...

David


Five did a show that showed explicit sex and even had a camera inside the woman, they got away with it as it was claimed to be educational.
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nwtv2003
gilsta posted:
Five did a show that showed explicit sex and even had a camera inside the woman, they got away with it as it was claimed to be educational.


I remember that happening, although it isn't the same programme if The Truth About Sex Education ever gets repeated by Five then it's doing the same thing, showing blatant sex that wouldn't otherwise be on Television, as it was 'Eduactional'
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channel 4 Got back into the act: this the police are complaining!

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Channel 4 accused of 'distortion'
Channel 4 logo
Channel 4 aired the Dispatches show in January
Police are reporting Channel 4 to industry regulator Ofcom over the way an undercover programme was edited.

But charges will not be brought against preachers featured in the Dispatches programme which looked at allegations of extremism in mosques.

West Midlands Police carried out an investigation into three speakers in the programme Undercover Mosque.

The Crown Prosecution Service says the programme "completely distorted" what the speakers said.

In a statement Channel 4 spokesman Gavin Dawson said: "We believe the offensive views expressed by the people revealed in the programme speak for themselves.


To try and demonise the efforts of these people by taking their comments out of context was shocking
Abu Usamah
Green Lane Mosque preacher

"We didn't put these words into people's mouths and all extracts were carefully contextualised.

"The West Midlands Police have provided no evidence whatsoever to support their allegations."

The programme investigated a number of mosques, one of which was Green Lane Mosque in Small Heath, Birmingham.

It investigated mosques run by organisations claiming to be dedicated to moderation and dialogue with other faiths.

'Moderate tradition'

A Green Lane Mosque spokesman said he had been shocked by the programme and was thankful the mosque's name had been cleared.

Abu Usamah, one of the preachers featured in the programme, said he was shocked when he saw himself depicted.

"It was the fact that Green Lane Mosque has a 33-year-old tradition of preaching and teaching the moderate version of Islam.


In this case we have been dealing with a heavily edited television programme
Bethan David, CPS lawyer

"To try and demonise the efforts of these people by taking their comments out of context was shocking."

Mr Usamah said he had been featured as saying homosexuals should be thrown from a mountain when in fact he was explaining it was an opinion featured in some books, and not one he believed.

An undercover reporter claimed to provide evidence that certain speakers preached messages of religious bigotry and extremism.

The Channel 4 Dispatches website, in a piece about the programme, said the reporter had attended talks at mosques and found preachers "condemning the idea of integration into British society, condemning British democracy as unIslamic and praising the Taliban for killing British soldiers".

Police said they acknowledged some parts of the programme may have been considered offensive, but, when analysed in full context, there was not enough evidence to bring charges.

'Completely distorted'

The investigation was then extended to include looking at issues relating to the editing and portrayal of the programme.

CPS lawyer Bethan David considered 56 hours of media footage of which only a part was used in the programme.

She said: "The splicing together of extracts from longer speeches appears to have completely distorted what the speakers were saying.

"The CPS has demonstrated it will not hesitate to prosecute those responsible for criminal incitement.

"But in this case we have been dealing with a heavily edited television programme, apparently taking out of context aspects of speeches which in their totality could never provide a realistic prospect of any convictions."

Police also asked the CPS to consider a prosecution for including material likely to stir up racial hatred but again were advised there was insufficient evidence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/6936681.stm
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tvarksouthwest
Typical police, wasting their time hanging C4 out to dry while they extremist preachers are allowed to carry on spewing their poison.
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gilsta
I can't comprehend how the police think C4 have done something wrong by cutting down the speeches to just the "juicy bits". These are quotes that simply can't be taken out of context, the only thing C4 can have cut out is elements of the speeches that are softening up the listener for the harsher comments later.

Apparently relations between West Midlands Police and certain communities featured in this doc are on a knife-edge, do you think they may possibly be using the selective editing row to take some heat of themselves?
PT
Put The Telly On
Somebody has really got it in for Channel 4, I wouldn't be surprised if their studios get targetted by terrorists in the near future. Rolling Eyes

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