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I REALLY hate HTV West posted:
c@t posted:
Actually not that often, Larry.


More than you think.


Well, to paraphrase Bill Clinton: nothing is wrong with Sky News that cannot be healed by what is right with Sky News.

Their failures - although, again, I say you are overplaying them significantly - are more than compensated for by their successes.

News 24 is not in a similar position.
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(Now, come on everyone, C@t and I have started a nice arguement going here ... it's been boring of late ... pile in!)
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I REALLY hate HTV West posted:
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I have been watching the coverage accross all channels. I'm not saying that the reporters and journalists themselves are making no effort, but the corporation's presentation of the whole affair lacks a certain polish. Newsnight is about the only programme what I have seen exploring it in any level depth.


So the N24 15 minute round-ups at 4.30 haven't made its way to your TV ...

And the fact that the 1/6/10 are only 30 minutes long, and have other news to cover, hasn't crossed your mind?

Lack of polish ... what cr@p. You really are a muppet.


I see your insults as not only a personal attack, but also a sign of your inability to correctly articulate your argument.

My OPINION is that the BBC coverage lacks polish, GOT THAT? You seem to have the concept of a forum completely wrong inside your mind.

Please read the terms and conditions of this forum for more information.
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Don't quote me the T&Cs - I've been here since the site started, thank you.

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the corporation's presentation of the whole affair lacks a certain polish. Newsnight is about the only programme what I have seen exploring it in any level depth.


I see no claim in this quote of this being your opinion, sir. This clearly shows you fobbing off your opinion as 'fact'

Besides, has it never occured to you Sky might be putting in a little extra effort to this story because a competitor is at the centre of it?
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From a very simple point of view:

ITV and SKY news both carry adverts. The BBC have an advantage for Breaking News, but don't use it.
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I REALLY hate HTV West posted:
Don't quote me the T&Cs - I've been here since the site started, thank you.

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the corporation's presentation of the whole affair lacks a certain polish. Newsnight is about the only programme what I have seen exploring it in any level depth.


I see no claim in this quote of this being your opinion, sir. This clearly shows you fobbing off your opinion as 'fact'

Besides, has it never occured to you Sky might be putting in a little extra effort to this story because a competitor is at the centre of it?


I said: Newsnight is about the only programme I have seen exploring it in any level of depth.

Doesn't that imply that it is my own personal opinion?

If you've been here since the start, perhaps you should be setting an example rather than throwing insults around at people you see as a newbie or disagree with. It makes you look very childish.
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Ah but it makes the forum more interesting.

It would be no fun if I couldn't victimise a few people from time to time.

And no, I don't think your quote implies opinion. Please be more careful in future.
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fusionlad Founding member
As most of you will know, I tend to watch Sky News as my preferred choice of news channel.

But I'm always interested to see how the others are doing. News 24 continues to be slow in breaking any story whatsoever. I see the Breaking News flash on Sky News, which turns out to be accurate 95% of the time by the way. I turn over to News 24, and they're normally in the middle of sport or going in depth with some non-important story. And do they rush to break the news? Do they hell.

And yes, I believe a few minutes is important on a 24 hour news channel. If I wanted to wait till the 'top of the hour' or till everything was confirmed and analysed, I'd watch the BBC One bulletins later in the day. And to those who say the ads on Sky give it a disadvantage, it doesn't. Sky regularly 'break in' to the ads to bring important stories.

Now the ITV News Channel I am starting to like, although it's not yet at it's best I believe. They are starting to break the news pretty quickly. I happened to be watching the ITV news channel the other day, and they were first with the Alistair Campbell story. Followed by Sky and News 24 at about the same time, give or take a few seconds.

News 24 STILL needs a good kick up the arse in my opinion. It is just too s l o w at the moment. It also needs some better banter and lighter moments.
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Nick Harvey Founding member
I REALLY hate HTV West posted:
(come on everyone ... pile in!)

But there's nothing to argue about, is there?

There'll NEVER be any hope of News 24 breaking a story first while the presenter has to pop out for ANOTHER hair-do between hearing about the story and reporting on it.
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Nick Harvey posted:
I REALLY hate HTV West posted:
(come on everyone ... pile in!)

But there's nothing to argue about, is there?

There'll NEVER be any hope of News 24 breaking a story first while the presenter has to pop out for ANOTHER hair-do between hearing about the story and reporting on it.


Poor Jane Hill - I'd have thought that hair wouldn't take long to do at all. It's not that long, or anything ...!!

(ahem!)
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c@t posted:
Actually not that often, Larry.

I know it's the only counter that the Beeb have, but really they do play it up rather too much.


It is a major factor though. Some stations are so eager to get news on air first they'll broadcast everything straight away. It's a scattergun effect they can blag about having broken a mahor story first, but then they brush over the other 5 which they broadcast first, but got totally wrong or broke the embargo for.

There's a very good example of embargo breaking by some organisations 6 years ago today !

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And tell me, if it's so shoddy and unreliable, why does it grace the screens of the news centre and why do staff there put so much effort into copying it?

It's all so puzzling.


All news channels watch all other news channels. Sky watch the BBC, CNN and ITN, BBC watch ITN, Sky and CNN, BBC Points West watch HTV and Sky etc etc etc.

If it wasn't for politicians and journalists - rolling news would have virtually no viewers at all!

I don't think the BBC necesarily 'copy' Sky, Sky are the originators of the genre, if you're working in that genre you can't help but copy some elements.
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Lets not forget that all time september 11th classic from SKY

"We believe the entire Eastern Seaboard of the United States is under attack!!!"

Sky: Never wrong for long.

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