TV Home Forum

Which TV buildings should be listed?

(October 2007)

This site closed in March 2021 and is now a read-only archive
PS
Psythor
Brekkie Boy posted:
Psythor posted:
If they must get rid of TV Centre, can't they turn it into, say, some sort of TV museum or something that retains the current look of TVC? There's too much cultural heritage there to simply bulldoze.

The studios are already big open spaces ideal for showing off tat from the last 40 years or even hosting unrelated exhibitions.



What exactly do you expect to see though - it's just a building of sets and offices. The only real constant is the Blue Peter garden - but every other set for any show has been demolished as the show came off air.


And at a time of BBC cost-cutting, how on earth could you justify them - or the Government - opening a £300m museum?


I don't think it should be BBC owned - and I realise the idea isn't horrendously economical, but then, don't museums like the BBC have a certain public service value that sort of allows it to not make money?

A good analogy would be Paris, where palaces are ten-a-penny, so they've re-purposed a lot of them into museums/public buildings/etc - such as the Louvre, or Les Invalides (former Napoleonic troop hospital - now home to the Army museum and Napoleon's tomb) - whilst looking the same on the outside.

Whatever they do with TVC, they shouldn't knock it down.
:-(
A former member
The old Tyne Tees building on City Road really should be listed.

The entrance to Studio 5, the mast and the building itself are all integral parts of Newcastle, and NE Culture, and should be kept intact.
SD
Steve D
Nick Harvey posted:
Steve D posted:
BBC Wales also had a converted Methodist chapel, along with several houses in the street behind, which they didn't finally vacate until around 1981.

Am I right in thinking that the old Park Place house is, actually, listed already, but for completely different reasons to its broadcasting history?


I'm not absolutely certain, but being one of the original buildings on Park Place, and being adjacent to the civic centre, I would think there's a fairly good chance that it is.

In fact the BBC had two Victorian villas there, which were knocked into one when converted to the radio studios. They are currently occupied by one of the university departments.

In stark contrast, the houses in the terrace on Sapphire Street (behind the TV studio building in Broadway) were late 19th century workers houses in an inner-city residential and shopping area which largely served the docks and East Moors steelworks. Among the things in this 'domestic' extension to the chapel building were the VT suites. Since the 2" Quad machines were too big to go down the passage and up the stairs of the houses, the front bedroom windows were taken out and the machines craned through!
IS
Inspector Sands
Tumble Tower posted:
The old Westward / TSW building at Derry's Cross, Plymouth. For some years it's been occupied by Foot Anstey Solicitors, but sadly it's due for demolition next year.

It should be saved, and when Foot Anstey vacate it, the South West Film and Television Archive could have it.


The SWFTA used to be in there when the new owners moved in, the building is far too big just for them.

What's so special about Westward/TSW Derry's Cross anyway? It's not architecturally that great is it, even before TSW painted it brown. Any resemblance to it's former life as a TV station would have gone years ago
JO
Johnny83
LWT's Kent House definately should be it is rather iconic (in London anyway) although I suppose that depends on the overall structure, afterall it is one of those 1960's tower blocks, there was a huge structural fault with most of those, unless in this case it has been "cured".

I wonder if ITV will buy TVC when it goes up for sale? Would it have greater facilities than Kent House?
PO
Pootle5
Johnny83 posted:
LWT's Kent House definately should be it is rather iconic (in London anyway) although I suppose that depends on the overall structure, afterall it is one of those 1960's tower blocks, there was a huge structural fault with most of those, unless in this case it has been "cured".



It's a bit sweeping to say this about 1960's high-rise. In the most part, it was mainly system-built local authority flats that often have structual problems as there were many new construction methods being tried out. Some 1960s residential blocks refurb well and are popular (if managed properly).

For commercial towers from that era, usually the floor-to-ceiling heights are insufficient to take the modern-day demands of air-con, computer network cabling etc; also after 40 years many 1960's towers are in need of external refurbishment as windows and cladding systems wear. I agree though, the LWT building is a good one!
JO
Johnny83
Pootle5 posted:
Johnny83 posted:
LWT's Kent House definately should be it is rather iconic (in London anyway) although I suppose that depends on the overall structure, afterall it is one of those 1960's tower blocks, there was a huge structural fault with most of those, unless in this case it has been "cured".



It's a bit sweeping to say this about 1960's high-rise. In the most part, it was mainly system-built local authority flats that often have structual problems as there were many new construction methods being tried out. Some 1960s residential blocks refurb well and are popular (if managed properly).

For commercial towers from that era, usually the floor-to-ceiling heights are insufficient to take the modern-day demands of air-con, computer network cabling etc; also after 40 years many 1960's towers are in need of external refurbishment as windows and cladding systems wear. I agree though, the LWT building is a good one!


I know it's rather sweeping but certain London Boroughs (Newham & Tower Hamlets) are using this as an excuse & are pulling them down willy-nilly & replaing them with... new tower blocks. Thing is they wouldn't be in that state in the first place if they had properly maintained them, but I digress.
PO
Pootle5
Johnny83 posted:
Pootle5 posted:
Johnny83 posted:
LWT's Kent House definately should be it is rather iconic (in London anyway) although I suppose that depends on the overall structure, afterall it is one of those 1960's tower blocks, there was a huge structural fault with most of those, unless in this case it has been "cured".



It's a bit sweeping to say this about 1960's high-rise. In the most part, it was mainly system-built local authority flats that often have structual problems as there were many new construction methods being tried out. Some 1960s residential blocks refurb well and are popular (if managed properly).

For commercial towers from that era, usually the floor-to-ceiling heights are insufficient to take the modern-day demands of air-con, computer network cabling etc; also after 40 years many 1960's towers are in need of external refurbishment as windows and cladding systems wear. I agree though, the LWT building is a good one!


I know it's rather sweeping but certain London Boroughs (Newham & Tower Hamlets) are using this as an excuse & are pulling them down willy-nilly & replaing them with... new tower blocks. Thing is they wouldn't be in that state in the first place if they had properly maintained them, but I digress.


I couldn't agree more! Sometimes it's an excuse, yes... depends how much the site is worth... compared to the long-term viability and economic life of the existing structure if the council held on to it. But I digress too - sorry!
JO
Johnny83
Pootle5 posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Pootle5 posted:
Johnny83 posted:
LWT's Kent House definately should be it is rather iconic (in London anyway) although I suppose that depends on the overall structure, afterall it is one of those 1960's tower blocks, there was a huge structural fault with most of those, unless in this case it has been "cured".



It's a bit sweeping to say this about 1960's high-rise. In the most part, it was mainly system-built local authority flats that often have structual problems as there were many new construction methods being tried out. Some 1960s residential blocks refurb well and are popular (if managed properly).

For commercial towers from that era, usually the floor-to-ceiling heights are insufficient to take the modern-day demands of air-con, computer network cabling etc; also after 40 years many 1960's towers are in need of external refurbishment as windows and cladding systems wear. I agree though, the LWT building is a good one!


I know it's rather sweeping but certain London Boroughs (Newham & Tower Hamlets) are using this as an excuse & are pulling them down willy-nilly & replaing them with... new tower blocks. Thing is they wouldn't be in that state in the first place if they had properly maintained them, but I digress.


I couldn't agree more! Sometimes it's an excuse, yes... depends how much the site is worth... compared to the long-term viability and economic life of the existing structure if the council held on to it. But I digress too - sorry!


Put it this way, LB Redbridge in Goodmayes along Barley Lane, there was roughtly 60-80 old Victoria Cottages that were "locally listed" part of Goodmayes Hospital, all sold off with only two surviving, with the LB Redbridge claiming that the local listing "was dated".

Anyway enough of this, this is TV Buildings we are talking about, erm, list Channel 4's in 20-30 years time
PC
p_c_u_k
Scottish Television's building in Cowcaddens should definitely be...

Ah. Forget that then. Rolling Eyes
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
p_c_u_k posted:
Scottish Television's building in Cowcaddens should definitely be...

Ah. Forget that then. Rolling Eyes


Och no, it was a dump.

Edinburgh's Gateway Studios was converted from a theatre to a studio then back again. The Drama school who use it are about to vacate to a new build so it will doubless change uses again.

I go along with the comments earlier in this thread that certain buildings may be iconic, but have little or no architectural value, and aren't necessarily fit-for-purpose these days.

I'm not particularly sure I want my telly tax paying for a massively expensive carbuncle to be maintained when I'd get better value for money from smaller premises or even leased buildings being used instead.

I know that there is a false economy to asset stripping in some cases.

Its a tricky judgement call - and with all due respect to some forumers, I'm not sure we're best placed to decide which buildings should be kept and which should be sold.
DB
dbl
I think Kent House (formerly LWT) should be saved, I think out of all the buildings that were built in the late 60's era. That building still looks strong and rather modern rather than dated.

Newer posts