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Turn on the Subtitles campaign

Call for permanent subtitles on children's TV to improve reading

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Flux
Flux posted:
Where it gets strange is when Netflix dub a programme and the subtitles have obviously been done from a different translation to the dubbed dialogue.


It might not always be a different translation, but rather a further adaptation. I don’t know the exact details for Netflix, but traditional broadcast subtitles have quite strict guidelines for things like how long each word should appear on screen, or a limit on line length (I think the BBC is 37 characters) so often a subtitler might need to tweak the exact wording of a translation to fit those guidelines


Also of course Netflix (and Amazon and Disney+) don't use traditional "block" subtitles (ie Ceefax style, or the style we know them for). They use a regular font, Arial style, so a letter i for example doesn't take up an entire character block like it does on "traditional" subtitles (ie the spacing between the letters is more normal/natural looking), so there is probably more scope to fit more text on the subtitle if it has a load of narrow characters. Spacing or Kerning I think the technical name for it?

For Prime you can customise the subtitles appearance in your Amazon account (you can pick a colour and a background if you wanted to, and I believe even pick Comic Sans as a font or a more traditional "blocky" font, which I think they call a typewriter font). Netflix for what its worth doesn't let you pick Comic Sans but you can have typewriter.


I sincerely hope I never meet anyone who chooses to view their subtitles in Comic Sans Laughing
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bilky asko
I have to say that if parents are that concerned and think this will help, use Ceefax channel 888. Does it really need to be on all the time?


How many people are going to be that bothered about having subtitles on screen that can't be turned off? The benefit far outweighs the mild, insignificant amount of annoyance for what would surely be a very small number of people.


Small but significant. For some people with certain conditions it's more than just an annoyance but causes a cognitive overload because they can't process the subtitles and everything else on screen and in audio, and they can't ignore them either.

I forget the specifics, whether it's certain types of dyslexia or certain autistic spectrum conditions but I believe it is a genuine problem for some people.


Which is fair, but that can be catered for via an option - as is the case for subtitles now - perhaps a red button subtitle free feed.
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Charlie Wells Moderator
Personally I feel that whilst all kids TV should contain subtitles I don't think they should be 'burnt' into programmes. Instead children and parents/guardians should be encouraged to press the subtitles button on their remote, with it being explained to adults how subtitles can help with children's learning.
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Flux
Personally I feel that whilst all kids TV should contain subtitles I don't think they should be 'burnt' into programmes. Instead children and parents/guardians should be encouraged to press the subtitles button on their remote, with it being explained to adults how subtitles can help with children's learning.


Or maybe the default setting is that they're turned on, so you have to actively turn them off if you don't want them on screen? So the opposite to how it currently stands. That would make the subtitles more prominent, and many kids probably just wouldn't bother turning them off, but at least the choice would be there if you wanted to.
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valley
Interestingly Sky have backed the campaign and "turned on the subtitles" on a load of their own, Warner and ViacomCBS content. https://www.skygroup.sky/en-gb/article/sky-warnermedia-and-viacomcbs-turn-on-the-subtitles-for-more-than-500-episodes-of-their-most-popular-kids-content
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Charlie Wells Moderator
Flux posted:
Personally I feel that whilst all kids TV should contain subtitles I don't think they should be 'burnt' into programmes. Instead children and parents/guardians should be encouraged to press the subtitles button on their remote, with it being explained to adults how subtitles can help with children's learning.


Or maybe the default setting is that they're turned on, so you have to actively turn them off if you don't want them on screen? So the opposite to how it currently stands. That would make the subtitles more prominent, and many kids probably just wouldn't bother turning them off, but at least the choice would be there if you wanted to.

That would be equally acceptable, though I don't know if that's currently possible for linear TV content on all platforms.
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Caly123
I put on the subtitles and audio description on to see if they do mistakes in the subtitles or the audio description.

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