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All ITV Plc. text services have now ended. (January 2005)

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CW
cwathen Founding member
Quote:
How long had the itv1 reference been there? Tyne Tees Text had the 1998 look (based on 1996) right to the end, and the channel ID was showing "TYNE TEES TELEVISION". Still no notice or ID showing though...

Short answer:
Just over a year ago.

Long answer:
the channel ID and the header line on teletext did say 'Westcountry' and the text service was branded as 'Westcountry Text' until September 1999, when the channel ID and header line changed to 'Carlton' and the text service was rebranded as 'Carlton Plus'.

At first only the name changed, but over the next 4 years the text service was gradually changed (read: had things taken away from it) to more closely resemble the Carlton Plus service in London (I presume the same thing happened on what was Centext?).

When the Carlton brand finally stopped being used in November 2003, the channel ID and teletext header changed to 'ITV1 Westcountry', whilst the pages were retooled to use an ITV1 logo rather than Carlton Plus. It would seem however that from the whole Westcountry > Carlton > ITV1 thing, they have merely re-edited existing pages rather than creating them again from scratch; if you look around really hard you can still see elements of the original 1993 Westcountry Text design around.
AN
Andrew Founding member
Just had a look around Yorkshire Text before it disappears. Various regional back up pages don't seem to have been updated in about 6 months, although Page 690 was always fully up to date

Page 657, the CITV page seems to have actually been updated quite recently. For ages it said CITV was on 3.25pm to 5.10pm and to visit www.citv.co.uk but now its fairly up to date

The channel indentifier still says 'Yorkshire Television' as well!
JO
Johnny83
ITV1 London has only page 600 & 699 both with the same message that ther service has stopped.

what a complete f*ck up ITV Plc ignoring its 50 year history. I wonder if we will get a "50 years of ITV London" at all if they bother
LO
Londoner
Johnny83 posted:
what a complete f*ck up ITV Plc ignoring its 50 year history

What has the withdrawal of a little-used teletext service got to do with the 50th anniversary of ITV?

And the anniversary will be marked by ITV plc.
JO
Johnny83
Londoner posted:
Johnny83 posted:
what a complete f*ck up ITV Plc ignoring its 50 year history

What has the withdrawal of a little-used teletext service got to do with the 50th anniversary of ITV?

And the anniversary will be marked by ITV plc.


No just the text service I mean in general. Since 1993 ITV has been going on a slippery slide the final nail was when Central dissapeared. The fact also that LWT has been treated like it has since 2002 when they supplied most of the weekend programmes originally is shock.

Yes I am the first to admit that LWT wern't the greatest ITV franchise of all time but they at least were proud of their name.

The fact that OFCOM have relaxed the rules even more is just making matters worse
MA
Markymark
Nick Harvey posted:
cwathen posted:
Evidently someone forgot to pull the plug at Plymouth...

Theoretically, it would be somebody in London forgetting to pull the plug, which makes it odd that some regions have changed and others haven't.

As far as I know, the transmitters have been directly fed from the South Bank for best part of the last two years; unless there's an oddity in Westcountry's region in order to insert the local news sub-opts.

The normal system is feeds direct from the South Bank to all the transmitters, with no involvement in the old regional centres, except to send the local news UP the line to London for them to send it BACK to the transmitters.

The local teletext would, therefore, either be inserted in London or at the transmitters, with the editing previously done remotely from the regions.


I'm not sure all regions have had their transmitters fed directly from LNN for that long. Meridian's P6XX pages disappeared the same weekend that their new shed at Fareham came on line, implying that the Tx feeds were still being fed via Northam right up until the last minute. That's not to say that the three regional progs were not fed to LNN as remote sources (rather than Beeb style opt outs) however, they certainly are now.
NG
noggin Founding member
Markymark posted:
Nick Harvey posted:
cwathen posted:
Evidently someone forgot to pull the plug at Plymouth...

Theoretically, it would be somebody in London forgetting to pull the plug, which makes it odd that some regions have changed and others haven't.

As far as I know, the transmitters have been directly fed from the South Bank for best part of the last two years; unless there's an oddity in Westcountry's region in order to insert the local news sub-opts.

The normal system is feeds direct from the South Bank to all the transmitters, with no involvement in the old regional centres, except to send the local news UP the line to London for them to send it BACK to the transmitters.

The local teletext would, therefore, either be inserted in London or at the transmitters, with the editing previously done remotely from the regions.


I'm not sure all regions have had their transmitters fed directly from LNN for that long. Meridian's P6XX pages disappeared the same weekend that their new shed at Fareham came on line, implying that the Tx feeds were still being fed via Northam right up until the last minute. That's not to say that the three regional progs were not fed to LNN as remote sources (rather than Beeb style opt outs) however, they certainly are now.


I suspect that most transmitter feeds are still routed through ITV regional centres, though they may just be "on passing" the LNN feed without touching it, simply because the circuits are already there and to change things would cost money. I am sure if it became cheaper to re-route for some reason, or a relocation of the studio centre took place, then things would change?

(Does anyone know if the Meridian ITV1 transmitter feed circuits still pass through Fareham, even if they aren't touched? The lack of 600-699 text when they moved doesn't indicate that they don't, just that they didn't install local text insertion facilities in the new building)
SP
Spencer
Andrew posted:
Just had a look around Yorkshire Text before it disappears. Various regional back up pages don't seem to have been updated in about 6 months, although Page 690 was always fully up to date

Page 657, the CITV page seems to have actually been updated quite recently. For ages it said CITV was on 3.25pm to 5.10pm and to visit www.citv.co.uk but now its fairly up to date

The channel indentifier still says 'Yorkshire Television' as well!


Well, it's finally gone, and so has the chevron - just an ITV1 logo on the holding page. Sad

Still 'Yorkshire Television' on the channel identifier for now though!
MO
moo
Gone from Westcountry too.

http://home.clara.net/m00/westcountry3.PNG

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