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Is It Me or IS TOPUPTV Anytime Rubbish?

(December 2006)

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Orry Verducci
CBBC posted:
Sky+ has been featured on Watchdog, so think twice if your ever going to get one.

Watchdog has been a little unfair as they automatically put it down to dodgy boxes, where in fact most of the time the box is fine, it's just the dish or some other cabling that is not. Fair enough, the Amstrad PVR3's were useless, but as I understand it they are now out of circulation, with all new installations being the much more reliable Thomson or Pace PVR3's. Also, most people leave the boxes on overnight, which means the HD is spinning 24/7, so it will degrade quicker than a PC. Unlike normal Digiboxes (where the habit of leaving them on overnight has come from) putting it onto standby does not just cut off output to the tv, but also turns off the HD (provided it's not in use).
BB
BBC TV Centre
marksi posted:
BBC TV Centre posted:
marksi posted:
The software in the box appears to be full of bugs and even when it does download something properly you may well find the programme has been badly recorded off air and has a bit of the beginning or end missing !

I don't own any of these boxes so I don't really know what the ins and outs are, but aren't these DVRs (I hate the term PVR with a passion) simply 21st century versions of the video recorder?

I.e. if you have set the recorder to record from, say 12:00 to 12:30 it will record that time and not over, so if the broadcaster has shifted the programme 2 minutes forward because they are running late, the end 2 minutes will get cut off? Confused

Or am I missing something here?


You're missing the point. Top Up TV now have a service where they download a selection of programmes to the box. They're recording those programmes off-air to send out as files and I've read some reports which suggest that some of the programmes that have been sent out this way have been incomplete.

Ah right I see. *eats humble pie*. Embarassed
BR
Brekkie
BBC TV Centre posted:
marksi posted:
BBC TV Centre posted:
marksi posted:
The software in the box appears to be full of bugs and even when it does download something properly you may well find the programme has been badly recorded off air and has a bit of the beginning or end missing !

I don't own any of these boxes so I don't really know what the ins and outs are, but aren't these DVRs (I hate the term PVR with a passion) simply 21st century versions of the video recorder?

I.e. if you have set the recorder to record from, say 12:00 to 12:30 it will record that time and not over, so if the broadcaster has shifted the programme 2 minutes forward because they are running late, the end 2 minutes will get cut off? Confused

Or am I missing something here?


You're missing the point. Top Up TV now have a service where they download a selection of programmes to the box. They're recording those programmes off-air to send out as files and I've read some reports which suggest that some of the programmes that have been sent out this way have been incomplete.

Ah right I see. *eats humble pie*. Embarassed


You are exactly right - they have gone a backward step and PDC seems to have been forgotten.

Marksi - don't think programmes are sent as files at all, they are just encrypted broadcasts as far as I understand with the PVR/DVR/DTR recording them in exactly the same way as they'd record a programme you selected.
NW
nwtv2003
Brekkie Boy posted:
Marksi - don't think programmes are sent as files at all, they are just encrypted broadcasts as far as I understand with the PVR/DVR/DTR recording them in exactly the same way as they'd record a programme you selected.


Spot on, hence why we have TopUp Anytime 1,2 and 3 on DTT, if you take a look at the EPG you can see what's on offer and most night's it usually looks rather crap, especially PictureBox which for an average 1 and a half hour film gets a 3-4 hour slot.
BR
Brekkie
The only small mercy is they haven't given a slot on the EPG to each and every "channel" in the Anytime line up.

Still don't understand in the EPG though when they cleared out the closed channels that Discovery Real Time moved to the back of the EPG at 42 - were they planning to close that too?


The only way TUTV could work in the long term is if they had their own Mux so their future was secured.

It's ridiculous that OFCOM aren't releasing some of the space from the sale of analogue spectrum to just give Freeview and DTT that little bit extra they need to become real competitive - a seventh mux should be given to C4 so ITV and C4 are on more of a level footing with the BBC, with an eighth put up for auction - and ideal for TUTV to secure their future.

The truth is though now I see very little future for them!
MA
marksi
Brekkie Boy posted:
Marksi - don't think programmes are sent as files at all, they are just encrypted broadcasts as far as I understand with the PVR/DVR/DTR recording them in exactly the same way as they'd record a programme you selected.


In that case it's even worse than I thought.

Surely a much better plan would have been to transmit the programmes as mp4 files and had a suitable decoder in the PVR? Better compression would have allowed faster than real time transfer and therefore a greater selection of programmes.

If it's a service that reaches the summer I'll be surprised.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
Brekkie Boy posted:
The only small mercy is they haven't given a slot on the EPG to each and every "channel" in the Anytime line up.


I think they've done this for a reason, as it looks like a majority of Freeview boxes don't like (or don't support) having more than 90 channels in the memory on the firmware they're being shipped with. We're now up to 94 "channels". My box likes showing me 94 channels until you switch it off, then four of them randomly disappear when you bring it out of standby.

If every Topup "channel" had its own EPG slot, we'd be on 110 channels and no end of complaints I reckon.

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Still don't understand in the EPG though when they cleared out the closed channels that Discovery Real Time moved to the back of the EPG at 42 - were they planning to close that too?


I dare say this was planned to close as they still had Discovery at that point. Unless its a fixed part of the legacy Topup TV service, as it doesn't seem to show anything of any great interest, I'm surprised UKTV Food was dropped instead of this.

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The only way TUTV could work in the long term is if they had their own Mux so their future was secured.


Problem they've got is, there's going to be no more Mux's.
Other problem they've got is, if Five decide they want to launch more channels (which they may well do, considering C4 have four channels and three timeshifts, ITV have six channels and two timeshifts and the BBC have eight channels) and want to show them on Freeview, Topup TV Anytime is dead there and then.

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It's ridiculous that OFCOM aren't releasing some of the space from the sale of analogue spectrum to just give Freeview and DTT that little bit extra they need to become real competitive - a seventh mux should be given to C4 so ITV and C4 are on more of a level footing with the BBC, with an eighth put up for auction - and ideal for TUTV to secure their future.


Yes but by the time analogue spectrum has been shut off and sold, TUTV will probably be dead anyway.

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