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Colm (previously Col) 3,486 posts since 6 Jan 2003
Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
I suspect Freddie McGregor's performance could have been the trigger for the episode switcheroo this week. I didn't spot any dimmed picture during the repeat of the Pet Shop Boys' performance.

The closing link mentioning Janice and Simon Mayo as next week's hosts was left unedited - got to mention, some dodgy VHS tracking was revealed when they credit-squeezed the Boogie Box High video at that episode.
james-20014,865 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
That video must have been mastered on VHS! Never noticed that before, though admittedly the only way I've seen it before is on VHS copies of Chart Show episodes anyway, so it wouldn't be noticable.

I'm Too Sexy by Right Said Fred is the same- VHS head switching noise at the bottom of the frame (though as we don't have any music channels broadcasting 4:3 music videos uncropped any more you won't be able to see it on any of them now).
james-20014,865 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
Another thing to note is both of this week's episodes ran well past 30 minutes, in terms of where the end credits ended. BBC4 showings often run above 30 minutes, by showing footage that wouldn't have been broadcast, but the credits have usually ended well before the 30 minute mark, but on today's episodes the end credits didn't finish until after the 30 minute mark- just before 31 minutes on the 23/7 episode and around 31:45 on 16/7 (the Madonna video doesn't even begin until around 29:55), which means the original broadcasts would have had to have been that long.

The 23/7 episode was originally live, so you can understand how it could possibly have overran, but the 16/7 wasn't, and neither episode is listed as longer than usual on Genome either. They must either have started early, or EastEnders started late on those days.

This week's episodes are also the final two to use the Clarendon font on the captions that had been used since 1984. Entirely new look graphics from next week's show.
james-20014,865 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
Been thinking about how thin on the ground the presenting team is at the point we're at on BBC4. Every episode from June to mid-August 87 is either Peter Powell & Simon Bates, Simon Mayo & Janice Long or Gary Davies presenting solo- so only five presenters, and three presenting combos over a 2 1/2 month period.

Steve Wright reappears on the 20th August episode, and Mike Smith at the start of September (albeit the latter not on BBC4), and there are some different combinations of presenters from that point, but it's still a fairly thin lineup (and of course no new additions to the presenting team for 16 months between Simon Mayo in October 86 and Nicky Campbell and Mark Goodier in February 1988, as well as the loss of John Peel and long term absenses of Bruno Brookes and Mike Read), and Gary Davies appears on all but 5 episodes during the last 4 months of 1987 (I presume due to him doing the links for the US version).

At least when 1988 comes we get several new presenters, as well as the reappearance of Bruno Brookes and Mike Read, so we get more variety in the presenting lineup again.

Not that they aren't good presenters, but it seems tiring to see the same presenters appearing every second or third episode (or even on consecutive episodes, as happens with Gary Davies frequently in 87 & early 88 ). When there's been more on the line-up you can usually go a month or more between most presenters making appearances and it feels a bit fresher.

Of course, it's still more presenting variety than Dortie & Franklin week in, week out in the Appel era, and Tim Kash, then Fearne Cotton & Reggie Yates every week in the Andi Peters era.
Colm (previously Col) 3,486 posts since 6 Jan 2003
Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
The BBC Four run has now entered into the period of Janice's first pregnancy, so her appearances will become less regular during '87 - one being Smithy'd - before she gets two final goes hosting in the summer of '88.

I'm looking forward to the social media reactions the new bunch of presenters will bring... Susie Mathis in particular.
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james-20014,865 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
Just found what looks like a BBC Archive copy of the 10/12/87 edition (Smith'd, so won't be on BBC4), and noticed how poor the picture quality on the playout track is. It looks like a performance from the US version, but I'm sure the NTSC to PAL conversions didn't look that bad, even in the 80s, plus there's what looks like some VHS tracking/damage/dropouts near the start of it, so maybe it came from a VHS (or maybe Umatic) copy, though I wonder why they'd use a lesser format, surely they'd have access to a broadcast quality one? A shame this episode won't be on BBC4 so we won't be able to see how it looks on there.

Also notable how it suddently freezes for several seconds at the end before a short burst of what sounds like audio from the studio. Unless I'm mistaken, Gary Davies' links for the US episodes are on the master tapes of the UK episodes after the episode itself? So presumably the master tape would cut back to Gary in the studio doing his links after this, though whoever uploaded this didn't include them.

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james-20014,865 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
They've cut out some technical flubs before, for example they cut out a part of a 1985 episode where Richard Skinner's mic didn't work for a few seconds (but strangely left in the presenters joking about it later in the episode), so they could decide to cut the all about eve performance from the episode itself.
Lottie Long Legs (previously Skytower) 652 posts since 20 Apr 2003
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They've cut out some technical flubs before, for example they cut out a part of a 1985 episode where Richard Skinner's mic didn't work for a few seconds (but strangely left in the presenters joking about it later in the episode), so they could decide to cut the all about eve performance from the episode itself.



To be fair though, the All About Eve performance, aka “The Great Miming Disaster of 1988” is a far more significant piece of TOTP folklore than Richard Skinner going all Norman Collier on us (even if it was a curious edit).
DVB Cornwall8,240 posts since 4 Dec 2003
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james-20014,865 posts since 13 Sep 2015
Central (East) East Midlands Today
Just seen a May 1989 edition on YouTube and noticed on the Ferry Cross The Mersey video, they zoomed into it to cut off the scrolling banner with the names of the Hillsborough victims, which seems a bit disrespectful. Probably so Paul Ciani could pull his trick of cutting videos short, as it starts about a minite in, and the first 20 or so names would have already scrolled by. Had they run it in full, with the names intact, on a previous show?

Anyone know how The Chart Show handled it? None of the 1989 editions I have are ones that feature it.