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I notice they've finally stopped with the SD quality episodes on iPlayer now as well; seems to be a recent thing, as some of the older ones are still 960x540.

Well spotted - last week's look like the first two in the better format - so it may well be a new 2021 policy for this and maybe other older programmes - we shall see.
AB
AcerBen Granada North West Today
Does anyone know why it (and some other programmes on iPlayer) is seemingly "recorded" from BBC Four, with the channel DOG in the corner?

And oddly, when you drag the mouse along the seek bar, the preview shows the BBC logo in the far left corner like usual?
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TIGHazard Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
Does anyone know why it (and some other programmes on iPlayer) is seemingly "recorded" from BBC Four, with the channel DOG in the corner?

And oddly, when you drag the mouse along the seek bar, the preview shows the BBC logo in the far left corner like usual?


I think it depends on if the programme has been ingested into iplayer before transmission. I notice that some of this weeks editions of Countdown on All4 have the ECP included, probably due to being a late delivery.
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kernow
Does anyone know why it (and some other programmes on iPlayer) is seemingly "recorded" from BBC Four, with the channel DOG in the corner?

And oddly, when you drag the mouse along the seek bar, the preview shows the BBC logo in the far left corner like usual?


Something I've noticed (on Sky catch up) is that programmes downloaded in HD will often be off-air recordings with the BBC Four DOG, and programmes downloaded in SD only seem to have the standard BBC DOG.

It's similar with programmes from other channels. BBC 1 and 2 programmes downloaded in HD will often be off-air recordings with the ECP and voiceover over the end credits (together with the end of an ident at the start sometimes), and will be clean on programmes downloaded in SD.
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noggin Founding member
Does anyone know why it (and some other programmes on iPlayer) is seemingly "recorded" from BBC Four, with the channel DOG in the corner?

And oddly, when you drag the mouse along the seek bar, the preview shows the BBC logo in the far left corner like usual?


Something I've noticed (on Sky catch up) is that programmes downloaded in HD will often be off-air recordings with the BBC Four DOG, and programmes downloaded in SD only seem to have the standard BBC DOG.

It's similar with programmes from other channels. BBC 1 and 2 programmes downloaded in HD will often be off-air recordings with the ECP and voiceover over the end credits (together with the end of an ident at the start sometimes), and will be clean on programmes downloaded in SD.


Sky iPlayer stuff has a very different route to the streaming iPlayer stuff I believe - as it has to be delivered to Sky's CDN for distribution, rather than being delivered by the BBC. I think there are a couple of reasons why what happens happens - and in some cases you may see BBC One HD Scotland/Wales/NI versions of shows initially too.

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MU
mumu03
Paula Abdul's performance broadcast on the 26/07/1990 edition was definitely prerecorded - obviously not unusual for the show by that point, however judging from the fact that its 1990 release was the song's second time around (as mentioned by Jakki Brambles), it was likely done in late August 1989, so would've been sitting in the can for nearly a year at that time.

Performances recorded months beforehand is of course something that became more common on the show as the 90s went on (especially under Cowey), but I can't think of any others from before then besides this one, although I suspect there were at least a few more.
AB
AcerBen Granada North West Today
Paula Abdul's performance broadcast on the 26/07/1990 edition was definitely prerecorded - obviously not unusual for the show by that point, however judging from the fact that its 1990 release was the song's second time around (as mentioned by Jakki Brambles), it was likely done in late August 1989, so would've been sitting in the can for nearly a year at that time.

Performances recorded months beforehand is of course something that became more common on the show as the 90s went on (especially under Cowey), but I can't think of any others from before then besides this one, although I suspect there were at least a few more.


Wasn't the second release a remix though, as Jakki mentioned? The 2 versions are too similar for me to be able to say which version she performed mind.. maybe someone's a fan and can tell us.
CO
Colm Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
At least with that Paula performance, you only saw the big stage in shot, not the two adjacent ones whose sets would be updated by the time it eventually got shown.

The only giveaways 'Knocked Out' was filmed in 1989 would only be picked up by discerning fans: the greater number of audience members in the 'Tower of Power', and that bizarre back panel which got added to the tower earlier in 1990, limiting how many people could fit up there at one time.

There should be another studio pre-record kept 'in the can' for the best part of a year coming up in the weeks/months ahead.

Roxette's 'Dressed for Success', which was filmed c. October 1989 (same session as Deborah Harry doing 'I Want That Man' on the same stage) on the expectation the track would make the Top 40... which it eventually did on re-issue.
MU
mumu03
Paula Abdul's performance broadcast on the 26/07/1990 edition was definitely prerecorded - obviously not unusual for the show by that point, however judging from the fact that its 1990 release was the song's second time around (as mentioned by Jakki Brambles), it was likely done in late August 1989, so would've been sitting in the can for nearly a year at that time.

Performances recorded months beforehand is of course something that became more common on the show as the 90s went on (especially under Cowey), but I can't think of any others from before then besides this one, although I suspect there were at least a few more.


Wasn't the second release a remix though, as Jakki mentioned? The 2 versions are too similar for me to be able to say which version she performed mind.. maybe someone's a fan and can tell us.


That's the thing, there are one or two moments in the performance where she's clearly miming something, but we aren't actually hearing her voice on the record at the same time. I'm not familiar with the original, but the second version isn't too dissimilar and was indeed a remix by Shep Pettibone as pointed out, so I'm thinking they just dubbed that and new audience ambience audio over the original performance?

Colm posted:
At least with that Paula performance, you only saw the big stage in shot, not the two adjacent ones whose sets would be updated by the time it eventually got shown.


One of those sets is very much visible in the opening moments of the performance - the one which had its cone-like structure replaced in 1990, presumably as it had been noticeably dented at some point and sometimes got in the way of the performers + cameras. I also think I've managed to date it as coming from the recording sessions for 24/08/1989; the lighting looks similar, and the single had risen to #45 in the charts that week (it subsequently dropped to 49 and then went straight out of the Top 100).
Steve Williams and Colm gave kudos
CO
Colm Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
One of those sets is very much visible in the opening moments of the performance - the one which had its cone-like structure replaced in 1990


I apologise - I didn't spot that.
AB
AcerBen Granada North West Today
The only other one that springs to mind as being a really old performance is Whitney Houston's I Learned From The Best - pre-recorded alongside two of her other singles in February 1999, eventually shown in November and December.
JA
james-2001 Central (East) East Midlands Today
Presumably recorded at the same time as It's Not Right But It's OK- a performance which was shown 5 times, each time further down the charts than the last- really shows up one of the major issues with the Cowie era.

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