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Markymark
A technician who worked in RTE from the late 60s until the mid 80s told me that in the 60s, 70s and 80s, RTE Television had access to the BBC and ITV feeds via the Eurovision connection, is that correct I wonder?

Also, they said they had used simple off air pictures from BBC and ITV transmissions from Northern Ireland and Wales when the Eurovision feed would not work or there was a fault.

Yes they’d have had a connection to Eurovision - a single microwave feed back then, not sure when it began to expand. So that would only carry the biggest events, along with the news feeds.

I’m sure I’ve read RTE also had their own direct line from the BBC. Which would make sense given the amount of BBC programmes they took live (or near live) and that wouldn’t have been on Eurovision. Off air rebroadcast would have, I’d think, been a last resort.

Without digging out old diagrams, I'm fairly sure that the only feeds from the BBC to RTE back then would have been a single microwave link from Belfast. It may be that it was a main and spare which could be used independently if all was well.
Bear in mind that there was also the issue getting material to Belfast from England / Wales / Scotland - the BBC only had one link north from Manchester to Carlisle that also fed Glasgow and Newcastle.
It was possible to book at a high cost per minute a BT Protection circuit, but the idea that RTE had access to seperate camera feeds from Hillsborough is fanciful back in the 1980s. It would have been the scanner output - maybe a world feed if such a thing existed, but more likely not!


Indeed, by today's standards football coverage then was often quite basic, half a dozen cameras, and a single feed. The VT truck would have been there for iso cam shots to edit in later to 'repair' any missed action for the match highlights.

Four years earlier YTV had an OB truck at Bradford FC, and captured the fire, but I think someone had to drive the tape to Leeds, I don't think there was a live link from the ground? I remember seeing the footage during World of Sport's results segment at 16:45, I think the fire broke broke out an hour earlier? It was WoS that showed the footage, and not ITN in the form of a newsflash, which is interesting
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UKnews
A technician who worked in RTE from the late 60s until the mid 80s told me that in the 60s, 70s and 80s, RTE Television had access to the BBC and ITV feeds via the Eurovision connection, is that correct I wonder?

Also, they said they had used simple off air pictures from BBC and ITV transmissions from Northern Ireland and Wales when the Eurovision feed would not work or there was a fault.

Yes they’d have had a connection to Eurovision - a single microwave feed back then, not sure when it began to expand. So that would only carry the biggest events, along with the news feeds.

I’m sure I’ve read RTE also had their own direct line from the BBC. Which would make sense given the amount of BBC programmes they took live (or near live) and that wouldn’t have been on Eurovision. Off air rebroadcast would have, I’d think, been a last resort.

Without digging out old diagrams, I'm fairly sure that the only feeds from the BBC to RTE back then would have been a single microwave link from Belfast. It may be that it was a main and spare which could be used independently if all was well.
Bear in mind that there was also the issue getting material to Belfast from England / Wales / Scotland - the BBC only had one link north from Manchester to Carlisle that also fed Glasgow and Newcastle.
It was possible to book at a high cost per minute a BT Protection circuit, but the idea that RTE had access to seperate camera feeds from Hillsborough is fanciful back in the 1980s. It would have been the scanner output - maybe a world feed if such a thing existed, but more likely not!

It’s very possible I’m not not correctly remembering what I read / heard and they were just referring to the Belfast to Dublin link rather than anything separate from the BBCs own route to Belfast.

Would RTE have had a separate microwave link for Eurovision or would they likely have to had taken anything on that via the BBC, either on that microwave link or on a BT Protection circuit?
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commseng
The feed out of the Hillsborough ground would have been a link via a midpoint - usually Wincobank to cover Sheffield and then to Holme Moss, and into Manchester.
Usual arangement was main output on the main link, and if all was well, an iso camera (usually camera 1) on the spare. It was provided on a "Match of the Day" basis, i.e. if the main failed the spare link was taken for the main output and switched at the final link receive point.
It was totally different to what is done now for matches in the EPL or other high profile games.
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commseng
Yes they’d have had a connection to Eurovision - a single microwave feed back then, not sure when it began to expand. So that would only carry the biggest events, along with the news feeds.

I’m sure I’ve read RTE also had their own direct line from the BBC. Which would make sense given the amount of BBC programmes they took live (or near live) and that wouldn’t have been on Eurovision. Off air rebroadcast would have, I’d think, been a last resort.

Without digging out old diagrams, I'm fairly sure that the only feeds from the BBC to RTE back then would have been a single microwave link from Belfast. It may be that it was a main and spare which could be used independently if all was well.
Bear in mind that there was also the issue getting material to Belfast from England / Wales / Scotland - the BBC only had one link north from Manchester to Carlisle that also fed Glasgow and Newcastle.
It was possible to book at a high cost per minute a BT Protection circuit, but the idea that RTE had access to seperate camera feeds from Hillsborough is fanciful back in the 1980s. It would have been the scanner output - maybe a world feed if such a thing existed, but more likely not!

It’s very possible I’m not not correctly remembering what I read / heard and they were just referring to the Belfast to Dublin link rather than anything separate from the BBCs own route to Belfast.

Would RTE have had a separate microwave link for Eurovision or would they likely have to had taken anything on that via the BBC, either on that microwave link or on a BT Protection circuit?

I honestly cannot remember off the top of my head - possibly it was the same link - the outer reaches of the EBU map did include places that could be connected, but were not permanently so. The main use was for the news exchange on a daily basis, which RTE would want to receive, and occasionally contribute to. Other than that it probably wouldn't have had enough use to justify the considerable cost.
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Markymark
Without digging out old diagrams, I'm fairly sure that the only feeds from the BBC to RTE back then would have been a single microwave link from Belfast. It may be that it was a main and spare which could be used independently if all was well.
Bear in mind that there was also the issue getting material to Belfast from England / Wales / Scotland - the BBC only had one link north from Manchester to Carlisle that also fed Glasgow and Newcastle.
It was possible to book at a high cost per minute a BT Protection circuit, but the idea that RTE had access to seperate camera feeds from Hillsborough is fanciful back in the 1980s. It would have been the scanner output - maybe a world feed if such a thing existed, but more likely not!

It’s very possible I’m not not correctly remembering what I read / heard and they were just referring to the Belfast to Dublin link rather than anything separate from the BBCs own route to Belfast.

Would RTE have had a separate microwave link for Eurovision or would they likely have to had taken anything on that via the BBC, either on that microwave link or on a BT Protection circuit?

I honestly cannot remember off the top of my head - possibly it Was the same link - the outer reaches of the EBU map did include places that could be connected, but were not permanently so. The main use was for the news exchange on a daily basis, which RTE would want to receive, and occasionally contribute to. Other than that it probably wouldn't have had enough use to justify the considerable cost.


There was an additional BT link via Holyhead (maybe)

http://www.dgsys.co.uk/btmicrowave/sites/98.php
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Inspector Sands


There was an additional BT/link via Holyhead

http://www.dgsys.co.uk/btmicrowave/sites/98.php

Would that necessarily have carried TV, could the PO/BT change the use of the link depending on what was needed.
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Markymark


There was an additional BT/link via Holyhead

http://www.dgsys.co.uk/btmicrowave/sites/98.php

Would that necessarily have carried TV, could the PO/BT change the use of the link depending on what was needed.


Yes, 960 phone calls, or one 5 MHz video circuit. The video circuit was charged at 960 x the rate of the phone calls during the GPO era I was told?
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commseng
Was it cheaper to send video after 6pm and at weekends?!
I think there was a degree of the charge relating to the number of trunk circuits it displaced, although I doubt it was the full rate - bulk purchasing and all that.
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Markymark
Was it cheaper to send video after 6pm and at weekends?!
I think there was a degree of the charge relating to the number of trunk circuits it displaced, although I doubt it was the full rate - bulk purchasing and all that.


It changed with BT's privatisation, but I think during the GPO era it really was as crude as that!?
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commseng
We are so far off topic here....!
I don't know for sure, but I recall a proposed huge price hike to the rates that would apply caused the BBC to investigate other options, and then moved to Energis away from BT. That makes me think it was a discounted rate previously.
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Markymark
We are so far off topic here....!
I don't know for sure, but I recall a proposed huge price hike to the rates that would apply caused the BBC to investigate other options, and then moved to Energis away from BT. That makes me think it was a discounted rate previously.


The costs will have come down in line with the cost of phone calls anyway. I can't find any details on the vulgarities of cost, but there's plenty of kit p0rn here:-

https://www.pye-story.org/companies/pye-telecom-story/the-products/radio-links-high-capacity
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commseng
Phwoor! Shocked That'll keep me amused when it gets quiet later on.

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