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Tommy Cooper's Death

(January 2010)

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JJ
jjne
As I recall Tyne Tees cut to a holding slide for several seconds once the LWT feed had faded (which was a long fade as I recall) before crashing into the first advert. There was also a bit of a gap at the end of the ad-break.
IS
Inspector Sands
would there not be a second feed going down to the 14 local operations room which could show a clock as to how long there have got?

No, the originating company would leave the programme to run till the vision ran out and then display the VT clock for the next part. Each company knew how long the breaks were scheduled to be so there was no need for a countdown.

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Que dots should have given other companies plenty of notice for someone to be on the mark to push the ad button

Yes, unless there's a sudden need for an ad break in which case there's no time for the normal 2 minute warning via cue dot, as is seen in this example - it's up for 16 seconds in total and only disappears after the theme music ends. The first the other companies would have known that the break was coming early was when the music and caption came up, it would have caught them all by surprise. They probably wouldn't have had the machines containing their ad breaks 'stood up'
IS
Inspector Sands
Quote: "When I go I want to be on stage I want the audience laughing and everyone happy." -Tommy Cooper.

In that sense it is fitting.

Indeed, you often hear the phrase 'he died doing what he loved' and this is one of those cases.
LL
Larry the Loafer
I hate to ask this but it's on the subject of "what to do if..." but you can see Tommy is moving very slowly before they cut to the break - would this have been his own doing or some sort of involuntary motion caused by the attack?
JO
Johnny83
I'm a big fan of Tommy Cooper, he was an excellent entertainer, however although I do know how he died I have no intention of watching the clip on You Tube. I know I'd just find it really uncomfortable to watch to be honest.

Has the rest of the footage, minus his last act, ever been shown again since that sad day?
BR
breakingnews
It's not as shocking as people are making it out to be. I've seen far worse on the internet.
PE
Pete Founding member
It's not as shocking as people are making it out to be. I've seen far worse on the internet.


I suppose you're one of these people who excitedly looked up the ken bigly footage
JO
Johnny83
It's not as shocking as people are making it out to be. I've seen far worse on the internet.


I suppose you're one of these people who excitedly looked up the ken bigly footage


The Ken Bigly footage was on there as well?!?!

I'm surprised that I'm surprised it's on there to be honest it is You Tube after all.
TR
trivialmatters
To those saying it's "fitting" that it happened on stage, it's worth considering that if it hadn't happened on stage, he might have had assistance quicker, and survived.
PE
Pete Founding member
The Ken Bigly footage was on there as well?!?!


I'm unsure if it was on YouTube (I'd expect it would be removed pretty swiftly) but it did float around some sites, mainly terroristy ones and gory people ones.
WH
Whataday Founding member
The effect you talk about was always very much an LWT thing I think. It was present on a lot of their entertainment productions. The camera or the lighting?


I've not watched the clip, nor do I wish to, but I think the effect you refer to might be the characteristic quality that Marconi Mk9 cameras had. They were used by LWT and many other ITV companies for much of the 80s. Difficult to describe, but very obvious, even when seen through multiple VHS dubbing generations.


Yes, here are some other examples, which don't contain any unsettling subjects:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEixPFg48Ko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SNoT5NNGgw

The best way to describe it I guess, is rather dull colour, vivid detail in movement but slightly as if there's vasaline on the lens.
IS
Inspector Sands
To those saying it's "fitting" that it happened on stage, it's worth considering that if it hadn't happened on stage, he might have had assistance quicker, and survived.

How do you work that one out?
He was at a theatre in the centre of London. There were plenty of people around to provide medical assistance and there would have been at least one first aider there. Her Majesty's is also less than a mile from one of London's biggest hospitals (St Thomas')... if he didn't survive a massive heart attack there he certainly wouldn't if he'd have somewhere else, his home for example.
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 25 January 2010 12:08am

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