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Tommy Cooper's Death

(January 2010)

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PE
Pete Founding member
in that sense its fitting


But it isn't!


Quote: "When I go I want to be on stage I want the audience laughing and everyone happy." -Tommy Cooper.

In that sense it is fitting.


Is it?

If the quote were "When I go I want to be on stage I want the audience laughing and everyone happy and then leave feeling uncomfortable and upset because I had a heart attack in front of them and promptly died" then perhaps, but I don't think its "what he would have wanted" at all.

And no I haven't watched it and don't intend to.
WH
Whataday Founding member
surely the show would have been rehearsed so the production crew would have know something was wrong. Why not simply cut the feed? Fade to black?

The entire show wasn't necessarily rehearsed in full, and with an act like Tommy Cooper there would always need to be room to allow him to improvise a bit. Hence there wouldn't have been an immediate awareness that something was wrong when he collapsed, it would have taken time for the gallery to realise that he wasn't doing a spur-of-the-moment gag. And to be blunt, any director worth their salt would want to find a professional way out of the situation. Simply cutting to black would have been an inexperienced panic response; there was a whole network that needed to be cued and a short cue dot followed by the normal end-of-part routine (and doubtless lots of shouting down the talkback) was the best way to do it under the circumstances.


I think the assistant took the lead in laughing it off, leading to the audience assuming it was part of the act, therefore dictating the whole approach by which the production crew dealt with it. If he had collapsed mid sentence, and abruptly fell to the ground clutching his heart, I'm sure the reaction would have been different. But, he had just put the rather large, baggy cloak on, and sort of sank into it. It was perfectly viable that it was part of the act.
SO
Steven O
I agree.
The clip, although difficult to watch, should not be censored. However, do think twice before clicking on it.
I had read a lot, and had seen documentaries about his life, but had not seen this footage before.
From a TV presentation point of view, I would have liked to have seen the next part of the show, or if any mention was made over closing credits. I did think they were quite slow in cutting to the break, surely the show would have been rehearsed so the production crew would have know something was wrong. Why not simply cut the feed? Fade to black?


After the break, Jimmy Tarbuck did a three minute stand-up spot before introducing the next act (Les Dennis & Dustin Gee). No mention was made during the closing credits during that week's edition of LFHM but Jimmy did mention the incident at the close of the following week's show, and thanked everyone involved for their help and assistance.
AN
all new Phil
I think the assistant took the lead in laughing it off, leading to the audience assuming it was part of the act, therefore dictating the whole approach by which the production crew dealt with it. If he had collapsed mid sentence, and abruptly fell to the ground clutching his heart, I'm sure the reaction would have been different. But, he had just put the rather large, baggy cloak on, and sort of sank into it. It was perfectly viable that it was part of the act.

Very true and I think that, given the nature of the routine that had preceeded it and his act in general, it would not be unreasonable to assume that his collapse was a part of it also.

On the subject of the clip being available to watch, I have to admit, I did click it and watch it. It's a very surreal thing to watch, and it certainly stays with you and makes you feel a bit uncomfortable. It's not helped by the weird and slightly creepy effect that all videos from around that time seem to have, though.
WH
Whataday Founding member
The effect you talk about was always very much an LWT thing I think. It was present on a lot of their entertainment productions. The camera or the lighting?
:-(
A former member
but was it not common knowledge that Tommy had a bad back?
PT
Put The Telly On
The effect you talk about was always very much an LWT thing I think. It was present on a lot of their entertainment productions. The camera or the lighting?


Do you mean LWT had a knack of putting glittering lights/shiny props against dull scenery?
PT
Put The Telly On
interesting popint at it shows a real heart attack which is completely different to what you see on TV when a character is having one, like Pat on Eastenders on Friday night, seems to me it's played out more in acting than it really is in real life or does it depend on the individual.


Yes, but knowing EastEnders, they probably had Pat turning into The Grinch, swinging round a lampost outside the Vic and doing cartwheels across the square (whilst having a heart attack).


Probably a slight exaggeration...only slight mind!
FR
Freddd
but was it not common knowledge that Tommy had a bad back?

Why should it have been?
MA
Markymark
The effect you talk about was always very much an LWT thing I think. It was present on a lot of their entertainment productions. The camera or the lighting?


I've not watched the clip, nor do I wish to, but I think the effect you refer to might be the characteristic quality that Marconi Mk9 cameras had. They were used by LWT and many other ITV companies for much of the 80s. Difficult to describe, but very obvious, even when seen through multiple VHS dubbing generations.
SO
Steven O
but was it not common knowledge that Tommy had a bad back?

Why should it have been?


The only person who knew of Tommy's bad back was his son, Thomas, who was watching backstage along with Jimmy Tarbuck, the other artistes and the production crew - when Thomas told them about it, that was the moment the producer then ordered the commercial break to be run.
IS
Inspector Sands
As has been said, the sound is clearly audible. And the clip linked to in this thread is not the one that's been on YouTube for a while now, it's a new one that's very obviously been taken from an original off-air recording. It includes the preceding couple of minutes of Tommy's act (in which it's clear that he's not himself, in fact there's one bit where he says "I'll be alright in a minute" where you have to wonder if it was part of the act or not) and then everything that follows up to and including the first advert in the break (for the Acorn Electron).

Yes, the one that's been online for the last 6 months or so was from a Dutch TV clip show (who in turn had obviously got it from a VHS copy). Interesting that an off air has surfaced now.

What I'd really like to see is the rest of the show, that is probably more interesting than the death itself not only because of the myths surrounding it but also to see how it was handled.

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