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Tommy Cooper's Death

(January 2010)

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SO
Steven O

I certainly remember watching Tommy's act that night on TV, and his collapse. What the clip doesn't show was him making a snoring-like sound (which was later found to be the death rattle) after he collapsed, followed by the camera pulling back and the titles for the commercial break being flashed up.


LWT Pres had to alert the regions to show adverts with many regions receiving a black screen.


Now that you've mentioned it, I think I remember the blank screen for around 15-30 seconds before the adverts appeared.
LL
Larry the Loafer
What the clip doesn't show was him making a snoring-like sound (which was later found to be the death rattle) after he collapsed, followed by the camera pulling back and the titles for the commercial break being flashed up.


I'm sorry to say that the 'rattle' is fairly audible, but I have to completely agree with Whataday - I wouldn't search for a man dying. We are all TV pres fans and it's situations like this when we'd like to see what happens.

For those who argue that it was disrepectful for the audience to laugh and applaud, bare in mind that Cooper (seemingly intentional) lost his balance before revealing the dove which set the tone a little bit, and the appearance on Tarbuck's hand popping out from behind the curtain may have come across as humorous; you can hear an increase in laugher when his hand appears.

But notice when the music begins and the laughter dies down, the audience are still confused by what's happened, and you can sense that the applause is half-hearted.
BT
Baroness Trumpington
Now that you've mentioned it, I think I remember the blank screen for around 15-30 seconds before the adverts appeared.
That would make sense if you were not in the London area. LWT will have had the benefit of live talkback from the OB, so knew to run the break regardless of the dots. For the rest of the country, presumably it will either have been a hasty call on the Red Phone or local TCs using their own instinct.
FR
Freddd
What the clip doesn't show was him making a snoring-like sound (which was later found to be the death rattle) after he collapsed, followed by the camera pulling back and the titles for the commercial break being flashed up

As has been said, the sound is clearly audible. And the clip linked to in this thread is not the one that's been on YouTube for a while now, it's a new one that's very obviously been taken from an original off-air recording. It includes the preceding couple of minutes of Tommy's act (in which it's clear that he's not himself, in fact there's one bit where he says "I'll be alright in a minute" where you have to wonder if it was part of the act or not) and then everything that follows up to and including the first advert in the break (for the Acorn Electron).

On the matter of whether or not the clip should be linked or even available at all... it's a piece of TV history. If it was unaired footage that had been leaked, then that would be different, but it happened live on TV, which makes it a matter of public record. And so much has been written about it in the subsequent years (including various myths) that it's entirely understandable that people who didn't see it at the time would want to see it for themselves. Anyone who tries to judge others for watching it is misguided IMO.
:-(
A former member
would there not be a second feed going down to the 14 local operations room which could show a clock as to how long there have got?

Que dots should have given other companies plenty of notice for someone to be on the mark to push the ad button
BT
Baroness Trumpington
would there not be a second feed going down to the 14 local operations room which could show a clock as to how long there have got?
Not in those days, unless my memory is playing tricks! A regional contractor would have the Network Line feed from London, which would have been carrying the output of the OB. I would expect that on a normal night the line would have carried on showing vision from the OB for a while, until they cut up the VT clock on the Start of Part titles, ready to run it at the appointed time. Given what was going on, I'd guess either the OB or LWT Pres might have put the feed to black, to make sure it wasn't going out anywhere, but that's only a guess - they may have been too busy.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Anyone who tries to judge others for watching it is misguided IMO.


I don't see that anyone has done that. Saying it is a bad idea to present it to children reading along is entirely different.
FR
Freddd
It doesn't matter how securely something has been locked away if someone else already has a copy.

Just noticed this, and FWIW, the 1993 British Comedy Awards tape has never been "locked away" and there have never been any access restrictions on it. There may well have been usage restrictions in respect of Clary's appearance, but the actual tape has always been available to any production that wanted to order it up.

The Cooper tape, on the other hand, has always had access restrictions applied AFAIK. It's accessible, but only after making a case at a senior level.
PT
Put The Telly On
Who was the blonde woman on stage with him?
SO
Steven O
What the clip doesn't show was him making a snoring-like sound (which was later found to be the death rattle) after he collapsed, followed by the camera pulling back and the titles for the commercial break being flashed up

As has been said, the sound is clearly audible. And the clip linked to in this thread is not the one that's been on YouTube for a while now, it's a new one that's very obviously been taken from an original off-air recording. It includes the preceding couple of minutes of Tommy's act (in which it's clear that he's not himself, in fact there's one bit where he says "I'll be alright in a minute" where you have to wonder if it was part of the act or not) and then everything that follows up to and including the first advert in the break (for the Acorn Electron).

On the matter of whether or not the clip should be linked or even available at all... it's a piece of TV history. If it was unaired footage that had been leaked, then that would be different, but it happened live on TV, which makes it a matter of public record. And so much has been written about it in the subsequent years (including various myths) that it's entirely understandable that people who didn't see it at the time would want to see it for themselves. Anyone who tries to judge others for watching it is misguided IMO.


I've just been to see the clip you mention, and it's exactly as I remember seeing Tommy's collapse back in 1984. The clip which has been up on Youtube for a while cuts out just after Tommy falls back, but this one confirms my recollections of the event. Sorry if I confused you all.
MI
Michael
Who was the blonde woman on stage with him?


Some random assistant I assume.
MH
miss hellfire
I won't be clicking the link. I remember watching it at the time and it upset me greatly then. At first I thought it was part of his act, but within a few seconds i knew something was wrong.
It is a bit ghoulish to have the link on here. I'm not entirely happy about it, it's not the sort of thing we should expose the younger members of the forum to, but that is just the way my moral compass swings.

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