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"Tom And Jerry" Smoking Scenes Banned

(August 2006)

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LL
Lottie Long-Legs
Rob Del Monte posted:
Using fossil fuels isn't so definate as smoking or not.

Also, of course it isn't "I started smoking because of Tom and Jerry!" it is a mixture of things, that make people smoke.

Yes, it is a mixture of things. However why would it be, get rid of everything that encourages / glamourises smoking, except 'Tom and Jerry', because it wasn't just 'Tom and Jerry's fault.


Confused
MH
miss hellfire
Oh i read about this other day. I thought, instead of going to all the bother of editing out the smoking scenes why don't they just show them after the watershed or give them an 18 rating.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
miss hellfire posted:
Oh i read about this other day. I thought, instead of going to all the bother of editing out the smoking scenes why don't they just show them after the watershed or give them an 18 rating.


That's what they did with the pornographic "scat" versions from the 1970s.

My lord.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
bee bee see posted:
james2001 posted:
bee bee see posted:
It is a children's cartoon, and it was made specifically for children, and thus for a timeslot suitable for children.


That statement is false for a start. These old theatrical shorts were not made for children, though that's clearly how they are seen these days.


Well, they contain childish humour, as well as subtle adult humour which children won't get. Thus, they are now shown in a pre-watershed timeslot. But children still enjoyed them, and still do today.


The cartoons - Tom & Jerry, Looney Tunes, even early Disney cartoons - were never made for children as such, but rather made for family viewing in the cinema - essentially fillers of their time as these days the same slots are packed with adverts and trailers instead.

It's only been in the last twenty or thirty years or so that they've found their way onto terrestrial TV and dumped in slots that are often viewed by the child audience - Tom & Jerry was aired copiously week-in-week-out straight after Grandstand for many years on the BBC. The other toons found their way into CBBC and CITV, again as pure fillers both here and elsewhere across the schedules.

Of course, once Cartoon Network started up, it was a natural place for them to air - Tom & Jerry was actually one of the much later "accquisitions" for Cartoon Network before it was dumped (along with most of the rest of the channel's other programmes) onto Boomerang when that was launched. As these channels now live in the Kids section of the EPG and a changing attitude of "cartoons are for kids"...
:-(
A former member
Neil Jones posted:

As these channels now live in the Kids section of the EPG and a changing attitude of "cartoons are for kids"...


don't tell Japan that then
GL
Gluben
Neil Jones posted:
bee bee see posted:
james2001 posted:
bee bee see posted:
It is a children's cartoon, and it was made specifically for children, and thus for a timeslot suitable for children.


That statement is false for a start. These old theatrical shorts were not made for children, though that's clearly how they are seen these days.


Well, they contain childish humour, as well as subtle adult humour which children won't get. Thus, they are now shown in a pre-watershed timeslot. But children still enjoyed them, and still do today.


The cartoons - Tom & Jerry, Looney Tunes, even early Disney cartoons - were never made for children as such, but rather made for family viewing in the cinema - essentially fillers of their time as these days the same slots are packed with adverts and trailers instead.

It's only been in the last twenty or thirty years or so that they've found their way onto terrestrial TV and dumped in slots that are often viewed by the child audience - Tom & Jerry was aired copiously week-in-week-out straight after Grandstand for many years on the BBC. The other toons found their way into CBBC and CITV, again as pure fillers both here and elsewhere across the schedules.

Of course, once Cartoon Network started up, it was a natural place for them to air - Tom & Jerry was actually one of the much later "accquisitions" for Cartoon Network before it was dumped (along with most of the rest of the channel's other programmes) onto Boomerang when that was launched. As these channels now live in the Kids section of the EPG and a changing attitude of "cartoons are for kids"...


OK, sorry for not making myself clear, but yes, they were made for family viewing, hence the humour that appeals to all ages.
JA
james2001 Founding member
Neil Jones posted:
a changing attitude of "cartoons are for kids"...


A very unfortunate attitude as well. It's the same additude that got The Simpsons to Number 1 on Channel 4's 100 greatest kids shows when it shouldn't be there in the first place. It's also the same attitude which leads to some very odd DVDs ending up in the kids section in shops. I don't know how many times I've seen South Park in there, I once saw the Happy Tree Friends in a preschool section.
RD
Rob Del Monte
james2001 posted:
Neil Jones posted:
a changing attitude of "cartoons are for kids"...


A very unfortunate attitude as well. It's the same additude that got The Simpsons to Number 1 on Channel 4's 100 greatest kids shows when it shouldn't be there in the first place. It's also the same attitude which leads to some very odd DVDs ending up in the kids section in shops. I don't know how many times I've seen South Park in there, I once saw the Happy Tree Friends in a preschool section .


lol!
"la-la-la-la-la—ha! What is that red stuff coming out of that animal? Ah! I don't like this video Mummy!"
lol.
SP
Spencer
Perhaps if someone is so utterly stupid that they start smoking because they've seen a cartoon cat doing it, maybe it's a good thing that they should die of a smoking-related disease in order to remove them from the gene-pool and help mankind evolve to be cleverer and smarter.
PE
Pete Founding member
Rob Del Monte posted:
Using fossil fuels isn't so definate as smoking or not.

Also, of course it isn't "I started smoking because of Tom and Jerry!" it is a mixture of things, that make people smoke.

Yes, it is a mixture of things. However why would it be, get rid of everything that encourages / glamourises smoking, except 'Tom and Jerry', because it wasn't just 'Tom and Jerry's fault.


I'm sorry I don't speak spanish.


Spencer For Hire posted:
Perhaps if someone is so utterly stupid that they start smoking because they've seen a cartoon cat doing it, maybe it's a good thing that they should die of a smoking-related disease in order to remove them from the gene-pool and help mankind evolve to be cleverer and smarter.


In theory I use this system when an under 16 asks for "20 L&B" in a deep voice. If I believe they deserve to die younger I'm tempted to sell them it.

Mind the sheer hilarity of refusing them often outweighs this system
SA
saturdaymorning
Spencer For Hire posted:
Perhaps if someone is so utterly stupid that they start smoking because they've seen a cartoon cat doing it, maybe it's a good thing that they should die of a smoking-related disease in order to remove them from the gene-pool and help mankind evolve to be cleverer and smarter.


Everyone should live forever.
IS
Isonstine Founding member
saturdaymorning posted:
Spencer For Hire posted:
Perhaps if someone is so utterly stupid that they start smoking because they've seen a cartoon cat doing it, maybe it's a good thing that they should die of a smoking-related disease in order to remove them from the gene-pool and help mankind evolve to be cleverer and smarter.


Everyone should live forever.


We're all going to heaven lads, whhhhhey.

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