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Is it about time the BBC provided news in the morning?

I thought N24 was a 24hr rolling news channel! (July 2003)

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A former member
NickyS posted:

It will be down to cost - that will also be one of the reason's for not showing World ... you would need to staff the N24 gallery to cover the ad breaks on World etc ... it worked during the war as World didn't have any breaks. It also didn't have sports output etc - all of which have rights problems when shown in the UK. It's not just a simple case of showing BBC World between 6-9.


Couldn't someone in the World gallery simply flick a switch for the N24 output so trailers or a breakfiller could be shown?

I'm sure it would only take one person to sit in the N24 gallery and opt out for trailers etc. Afterall the BBC employs thousands of people at TVC, surely one person could do it. I'd do it for free, but I live the wrong end of the A40! Wink
MO
Moz
NickyS posted:
russnet posted:
boring_user_name posted:
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How about BBC World on News 24 between 6:00 and 9:00?


Exactly. I fail to understand why News 24 broadcasts EXACTLY the same programming that is broadcast on BBC ONE, when it could instead be showing BBC World from 6-9 - an alternative for viewers, rather than simply replicating an already avaliable service.


The only reason is a cost reason. It saves the BBC an awful lot of money simulcasting the service than repeating the same news but with different presenters giving the information back to the viewer.

As for showing BBC World, my guess from a tv station point of view would be that it's the wrong type of programme format to show in the morning as the BBC probably wants to follow what everyone else is doing at breakfast.

It will be down to cost - that will also be one of the reason's for not showing World ... you would need to staff the N24 gallery to cover the ad breaks on World etc ... it worked during the war as World didn't have any breaks. It also didn't have sports output etc - all of which have rights problems when shown in the UK. It's not just a simple case of showing BBC World between 6-9.


I wouldn't be interested really in having BBC World on N24 instead of Breakfast, but it would be an improvement.

I'd rather see the BBC cut back on costs during the day time when most people are in work and provide rolling news in the morning when - I think - there'd be more demand for it.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
Jamez posted:
NickyS posted:

It will be down to cost - that will also be one of the reason's for not showing World ... you would need to staff the N24 gallery to cover the ad breaks on World etc ... it worked during the war as World didn't have any breaks. It also didn't have sports output etc - all of which have rights problems when shown in the UK. It's not just a simple case of showing BBC World between 6-9.


Couldn't someone in the World gallery simply flick a switch for the N24 output so trailers or a breakfiller could be shown?

I'm sure it would only take one person to sit in the N24 gallery and opt out for trailers etc. Afterall the BBC employs thousands of people at TVC, surely one person could do it. I'd do it for free, but I live the wrong end of the A40! Wink


Perhaps they can set it up Fox News style which shows the Foxcast in place of the commercials. What could the BBC show during the ad breaks if World is on N24? Don't think they'd do weather as they'd get accused of ripping off Fox...
MA
Marcus Founding member
Jamez posted:
NickyS posted:

It will be down to cost - that will also be one of the reason's for not showing World ... you would need to staff the N24 gallery to cover the ad breaks on World etc ... it worked during the war as World didn't have any breaks. It also didn't have sports output etc - all of which have rights problems when shown in the UK. It's not just a simple case of showing BBC World between 6-9.


Couldn't someone in the World gallery simply flick a switch for the N24 output so trailers or a breakfiller could be shown?

I'm sure it would only take one person to sit in the N24 gallery and opt out for trailers etc. Afterall the BBC employs thousands of people at TVC, surely one person could do it. I'd do it for free, but I live the wrong end of the A40! Wink


It's not just a matter of cost. The News24 gallery is currently used for training during Breakfast. This would have to be curtailed if they were required to fill the breaks on world every half hour. The alternative would be for World to provide an invisible break by playing the weather or promos in from the World gallery. This would be resisted by the world production team as they need those breaks to switch directors and rehearse the top of each hour.

There is also the small matter of BBC Politics. No doubt the editor of Breakfast would fight the loss of Breakfast on News24.

However if there was the will to do it then I'm sure it could be done. You just need to convince those with the power that it needs changing. Maybe you should email those in charge of the channel and see what response you get. But don't expect BBC World to cover any car crashes.
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A former member
Marcus posted:
Jamez posted:
NickyS posted:

It will be down to cost - that will also be one of the reason's for not showing World ... you would need to staff the N24 gallery to cover the ad breaks on World etc ... it worked during the war as World didn't have any breaks. It also didn't have sports output etc - all of which have rights problems when shown in the UK. It's not just a simple case of showing BBC World between 6-9.


Couldn't someone in the World gallery simply flick a switch for the N24 output so trailers or a breakfiller could be shown?

I'm sure it would only take one person to sit in the N24 gallery and opt out for trailers etc. Afterall the BBC employs thousands of people at TVC, surely one person could do it. I'd do it for free, but I live the wrong end of the A40! Wink


It's not just a matter of cost. The News24 gallery is currently used for training during Breakfast. This would have to be curtailed if they were required to fill the breaks on world every half hour. The alternative would be for World to provide an invisible break by playing the weather or promos in from the World gallery. This would be resisted by the world production team as they need those breaks to switch directors and rehearse the top of each hour.

There is also the small matter of BBC Politics. No doubt the editor of Breakfast would fight the loss of Breakfast on News24.

However if there was the will to do it then I'm sure it could be done. You just need to convince those with the power that it needs changing. Maybe you should email those in charge of the channel and see what response you get. But don't expect BBC World to cover any car crashes.


BBC World offers a different perspective than domestic news. I'd rather be watching BBC News 24 (with World) early in the morning while waiting for a flight out of Heathrow to see whats going on in the destination I would be heading to.

It's pointless broadcasting Breakfast on BBC ONE aswell as News 24. What did N24 broadcast between 6-9am between 1997-2000?
RE
Re-it-er-ate
in that time period they had their own programming - with jane hill and chris eakin iirc.
DA
Davidjb Founding member
IIRC news 24 had 3 news presenters during 06.00-09.00 when it first launched. Then it was mainly David Robertson & Jane Hill until Breakfast took over in september 2000. Cant remember when Jane took over from Sarah in the prime time slot now. I must admit that it does seem rather pointless broadcasting the same programme on 2 different channels but just how many viewers does news 24 get in that time period?
RE
Re-it-er-ate
i for one would watch any news overage that news 24 provided in the morning, instead of breakfast - breakfast is far too fluffy and useless.

why not cut back on phil & joanna's shift - surely one presenter could do that shift if phil presented with someone else from 0600 - 0900. indeed, that shift could be extended to 1000.
MO
Moz
Re-it-er-ate posted:
i for one would watch any news overage that news 24 provided in the morning, instead of breakfast - breakfast is far too fluffy and useless.

why not cut back on phil & joanna's shift - surely one presenter could do that shift if phil presented with someone else from 0600 - 0900. indeed, that shift could be extended to 1000.


Exactly! Cut down on daytimes when people are at work to give us a proper morning news programme!
CA
cat
mikeprz posted:
c@t posted:


2) How on earth you reach the conclusion that their political coverage would get in the way of their coverage of a crash on a motorway is somewhat baffling.


I wasn't suggesting that their polictical leanings were in anyway related to the car crash story and how they covered it. I was commenting on sky news in general at that point. The very fact that Sky News and Fox News are directly related albeit Sky not being as extreme, they have the same leanings and that is why I don't like them. End of!

I agree that Sky have had many more years of experience and their whole package is very good until you actually realise you have not learnt very much. Who actually watches more than 1 hour of a news channel at a time anyway - bar MAJOR events like September 11th and the Iraq War coverage (N24 won a major award for it's coverage this week incidently).


No, I'm sorry, not 'end of!' at all. You're going to have to explain your argument a little better than that, Mr Thicko, if it's going to stand up.

1) They are not directly related, I would say there were indirectly related - in the sense the Murdoch has interests in a company that has interests in a company that has interests in BSkyB, which is not direct in my view. Their programming not biased, and never has been, because it is not allowed to be.

2) News 24's pretty darn weedy performance throughout the war has been remarkably forgotten by the judges in Monte Carlo - which itself is hardly the pinnacle of journalism awards. I quote the Guardian "Sky will win awards for that" - remarking on the coverage of Jeremy Thompson and David Chater in Iraq. It is no coincidence that it is the undefeated news channel of the year, I think.

3) With regards to the "you don't learn much from Sky" remark, I refer you to the "Mr Thicko" remark I made at the start of this post.
CA
cat
Marcus posted:
The News24 gallery is currently used for training during Breakfast.


Heh, you'd never have guessed.

You'll need more than three hours training a day to get News 24 up to scratch.
RE
Re-it-er-ate
c@t posted:
Marcus posted:
The News24 gallery is currently used for training during Breakfast.


Heh, you'd never have guessed.

You'll need more than three hours training a day to get News 24 up to scratch.


Shocked

oh - i thought it was used for training all day, by the dodginess of the entire system.

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