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Is it about time the BBC provided news in the morning?

I thought N24 was a 24hr rolling news channel! (July 2003)

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Andrew Founding member
c@t posted:


3) News 24, even when they did come on air at 9, were useless. They went on for about 4 minutes and then (snore) went to talk about the BBC and Downing St... (yawn)... with a... (snmmfff) live interv....(zzzzzzzzzz).


I only found out about it at 10.30am so tuned in to a rolling news channel

ITV News Channel were in 'Breaking News' mode carrying a live press conference with continuious coverage

Sky News were also doing this

BBC News 24 were going on about Iraq and equally boring stuff

The BBC would probably have given it more coverage had it happened on the M25. Why do they have a single 'north of england correspondent' anyway, who seems to cover everything happening in the North?
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A former member
c@t posted:


2) How on earth you reach the conclusion that their political coverage would get in the way of their coverage of a crash on a motorway is somewhat baffling.


I wasn't suggesting that their polictical leanings were in anyway related to the car crash story and how they covered it. I was commenting on sky news in general at that point. The very fact that Sky News and Fox News are directly related albeit Sky not being as extreme, they have the same leanings and that is why I don't like them. End of! I don't anyone's point of view influencing my one opinions. I think Littlejohn is a very unsavoury character and doesn't belong anywhere outside the Daily (Hate) Mail.

Regarding N24 - i guess it depends on what you find a priority in the news coverage - full, informative and to the point coverage ie BBC and ITV (to a point) or glossy, fab graphics and totally therefore making up for the lack of really good journalism, I know which I choose.

The fact that Breackfast is on both BBC1 and N24 is just a cost cutting exercise i expect and also a chance to give the studio a rest and a clear up before 9am. I have no doubt that if a major story happens then either we cut to the N24 studio in due course or to the national news studio and it's taken from there. Sky have an advantage as to they only have one channel and one place to broadcast from and therefore no major decision making to be made.

I think N24 is justified in the fact that they supply a constant stream of information going (headlines every 15minutes) for people to dip in and out of. I agree that Sky have had many more years of experience and their whole package is very good until you actually realise you have not learnt very much. Who actually watches more than 1 hour of a news channel at a time anyway - bar MAJOR events like September 11th and the Iraq War coverage (N24 won a major award for it's coverage this week incidently).
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NickyS Founding member
Andrew posted:
c@t posted:


3) News 24, even when they did come on air at 9, were useless. They went on for about 4 minutes and then (snore) went to talk about the BBC and Downing St... (yawn)... with a... (snmmfff) live interv....(zzzzzzzzzz).


I only found out about it at 10.30am so tuned in to a rolling news channel

ITV News Channel were in 'Breaking News' mode carrying a live press conference with continuious coverage

Sky News were also doing this

BBC News 24 were going on about Iraq and equally boring stuff

The BBC would probably have given it more coverage had it happened on the M25. Why do they have a single 'north of england correspondent' anyway, who seems to cover everything happening in the North?

I'm not going to go into the arguements about Breakfast etc but I have to say you are just totally wrong to say the BBC only has one North of England Correspondent. Off the top of my head I can think of 5 dedicated network correspondents in the north and - as Breakfast used this morning - many many more reporters to call on from the BBC's Local Radio and regional television newsrooms. John Thorne, Richard Wells, Kevin Bouquet, Catherine Marston, Janet Barrie, Richard Bilton are all based in either Leeds or Manchester.
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simpfeld
Worse for me being a bit of an insomniac on News 24 is from what is it 1AM till 6AM we get BBC world. Not even BBC News 21 more like BBC News 16.

Any big British stories suddenly disappear at 1AM as if they've never happened. There is not even any indication on screen that this is now World News not News 24.
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NickyS Founding member
simpfeld posted:
Worse for me being a bit of an insomniac on News 24 is from what is it 1AM till 6AM we get BBC world. Not even BBC News 21 more like BBC News 16.

Any big British stories suddenly disappear at 1AM as if they've never happened. There is not even any indication on screen that this is now World News not News 24.

Important British stories are included between 0100-0600.
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A former member
At least it is live - unlike ITVNC!

Anyway, as an Anglo-Pole I must admit that I do like to know about the world than most of the 3 channels give us. It is a pity BBC World is not available (legally) in the UK so the BBC World on N24 is a good thing. Actually from what I see of BBC World, there is still a slight UK bias as they always mention big UK stories for the rest of the world. I am sure people in Uganda are really interested in that. ANd a little bit of Worldy education won't do anyone harm. If it was UK centric all the time, we'd become like the US and think Europe is an off shore island! I know friend sin Poland think that our TV news is very UK centered and not enough worldly news is broadcast (other than the really big ones - Iraq, Iraq and erm...Iraq!).
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russnet Founding member
Once upon a time, BBC News 24 was a 24 hour rolling news service, they even had a news service during the breakfast hours that was different to BBC1 but suddenly, the BBC chiefs thought to themselves, hang on what's the point duplicating the service costing us more money when it would be cheaper to simulcast the service over both channels. That way, the corporation saved money and the BBC lived happily ever after knowing that they could use the public money a lot better by staying in guest houses for training courses whilst drinking the night away.
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simpfeld
I think we should have BBC World as well as BBC News 24.

I grant you big big British stories do appear, but I have often seen the main British story on News 24 disappear all together from the BBC World originated bulitins. It's just looks strange, I wouldn't have a problem if at least they told us this was now BBC World.

How about BBC World on News 24 between 6:00 and 9:00? Or do BBC World take Breakfast too?
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Martin Founding member
simpfeld posted:

How about BBC World on News 24 between 6:00 and 9:00? Or do BBC World take Breakfast too?


Breakfast would be unsuitable for a international audience when its dominated by UK issues and from a UK perspective. BBC World has its European breakfast programme 'The World Today' from 05.00 - 08.00 GMT weekday mornings. During those hours BBC World follows a slightly different format with more focus on European issues along with its regular World Business Report programme following the Asian and European markets.
During the Iraq war, The World Today was broadcast on BBC News 24 from 06.00GMT along with its usual hour at 05.00, it was felt that BBC World offered a more serious and in-depth side of coverage of the war while Breakfast was a little more layed back.
Some people on the forum have already suggested permenantly broadcasting The World Today on N24 as it would'nt drain resources like having N24 broadcasting its own programme during 6-9am but so far it doesnt look likely.

Martin
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boring_user_name
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How about BBC World on News 24 between 6:00 and 9:00?


Exactly. I fail to understand why News 24 broadcasts EXACTLY the same programming that is broadcast on BBC ONE, when it could instead be showing BBC World from 6-9 - an alternative for viewers, rather than simply replicating an already avaliable service.
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russnet Founding member
boring_user_name posted:
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How about BBC World on News 24 between 6:00 and 9:00?


Exactly. I fail to understand why News 24 broadcasts EXACTLY the same programming that is broadcast on BBC ONE, when it could instead be showing BBC World from 6-9 - an alternative for viewers, rather than simply replicating an already avaliable service.


The only reason is a cost reason. It saves the BBC an awful lot of money simulcasting the service than repeating the same news but with different presenters giving the information back to the viewer.

As for showing BBC World, my guess from a tv station point of view would be that it's the wrong type of programme format to show in the morning as the BBC probably wants to follow what everyone else is doing at breakfast.
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NickyS Founding member
russnet posted:
boring_user_name posted:
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How about BBC World on News 24 between 6:00 and 9:00?


Exactly. I fail to understand why News 24 broadcasts EXACTLY the same programming that is broadcast on BBC ONE, when it could instead be showing BBC World from 6-9 - an alternative for viewers, rather than simply replicating an already avaliable service.


The only reason is a cost reason. It saves the BBC an awful lot of money simulcasting the service than repeating the same news but with different presenters giving the information back to the viewer.

As for showing BBC World, my guess from a tv station point of view would be that it's the wrong type of programme format to show in the morning as the BBC probably wants to follow what everyone else is doing at breakfast.

It will be down to cost - that will also be one of the reason's for not showing World ... you would need to staff the N24 gallery to cover the ad breaks on World etc ... it worked during the war as World didn't have any breaks. It also didn't have sports output etc - all of which have rights problems when shown in the UK. It's not just a simple case of showing BBC World between 6-9.

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