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NG
noggin Founding member
Summer Wine was even still shot on film, presumably for that vintage look, long after almost everything else had transitioned to video.


That's not really the case. Summer Wine has shot in a number of different ways - and actually switched from all video to all film ISTR.

Summer Wine was originally multicam studio video interiors with single camera 16 film exteriors - like most sit coms in the 70s and early 80s. Then, once single camera location video became available at a decent quality, the show transitioned to single cam video exteriors ISTR (shot by the film dept not OBs I think).

Summer Wine then moved to all single-camera Super 16mm (including studios) (*), and eventually to a Thomson Viper 25p HD solution (the Viper was a pre-Alexa e-cinema-style camera).

(*) Don't think they shot multicamera film in studios - which may be one reason they didn't have an audience (Though it's probably more to do with shooting on film sound stages without audience facilities)
Last edited by noggin on 22 February 2019 10:44am - 2 times in total
JK
JKDerry
There seems to be some genuine amazement in this thread that sets are actually sets. Good set design should mean that the audience doesn’t actually see a set but sees a drawing room of an 18th century mansion or whatever.

The subject of canned or dubbed laughter is a very interesting one. A lot of people think they can spot it a mile away. It’s a lot harder than you might think though. In the U.K. a lot of sitcoms have always been done in front of a studio audience (to the point where it’s never been necessary to tell the viewing audience - unlike American sitcoms where they added a voiceover to the beginning to point this out!). However, location sitcoms like Last of the Summer Wine were (certainly in latter series) shown to an audience after editing, often in the BBC Radio Theatre, for the laughter track recording. Summer Wine was even still shot on film, presumably for that vintage look, long after almost everything else had transitioned to video. Live Laughter tracks have also often been supplemented in post. You’ll never get the same reaction to a joke if, for whatever reason, it has to be done again. I’m sure there have been flat nights when an audience isn’t finding a show as hilarious as the producers want and so they’ll add in some laughter afterwards. Quite where the line lies is debatable and often this is when the viewing audience might start to smell a rat.

An interesting approach to live audience reaction was taken with Victoria Wood’s dinnerladies. She had heard that in America for (I think) Cheers, they’d perform each episode twice for a live audience, tweaking the script in between to make it as funny and as tight as they could. Victoria mentioned this to Geoff Posner who decided they might as well record both performances as well. VW would often rewrite whole chunks for the second night, much to the annoyance of the cast! This extravagance was made up for by the fact that dinnerladies was (I think) entirely done within one set.

The double tape recordings that is common in the US is still used here in the UK. Mrs Brown's Boys double tapes their Christmas specials, two editions of each are made, and then they choose which one to air. I won't go into the lack of quality in Mrs Brown's Boys, but I do feel two recordings are probably not needed for that show. I do know the so called "outtakes" are 90% not outtakes and are scripted, as I have seen them do this on stage too when I have seen the show.


Frasier apparently double taped their episodes, leading to some editing of the two episodes taped together to create one episode for transmission. This caused a little bit of continuity errors with certain clocks and props on occasion apparently.
NG
noggin Founding member

Frasier apparently double taped their episodes, leading to some editing of the two episodes taped together to create one episode for transmission. This caused a little bit of continuity errors with certain clocks and props on occasion apparently.


Frasier may have shot each episode twice, but they weren't taped, they were filmed. Frasier was shot on 35mm film, not video tape.
Last edited by noggin on 22 February 2019 10:44am
JA
james-2001
Summer Wine was even still shot on film, presumably for that vintage look, long after almost everything else had transitioned to video.


That's not really the case. Summer Wine has shot in a number of different ways - and actually switched from all video to all film ISTR.

Summer Wine was originally multicam studio video interiors with single camera 16 film exteriors - like most sit coms in the 70s and early 80s. Then, once single camera location video became available at a decent quality, the show transitioned to single cam video exteriors ISTR (shot by the film dept not OBs I think).


There was only one series of LOTSW that was all video- Series 13 in 1991. That was also the last series done in front of an audience.

It actually threw me a bit the first time I saw it, as I'd assumed they went straight from video in the studio/film on location to all film.

You can understand why they made the switch though when you look at how location heavy the episodes were by the late 80s/early 90s, getting an audience, cast & crew in the studio to only shoot a few scenes and the audience watching most of it on monitors was probably an inconvenience. Changing it to being without an audience presumably meant they could shoot multiple studio scenes for different episodes at the same time and get it all done a lot quicker.
JK
JKDerry

Frasier apparently double taped their episodes, leading to some editing of the two episodes taped together to create one episode for transmission. This caused a little bit of continuity errors with certain clocks and props on occasion apparently.


Frasier may have shot each episode twice, but they weren't taped, they were filmed. Frasier was shot on 35mm film, not video tape.

Sorry, I use the American expression "tape". I am not commenting on the recording style, either video or film, I was such commenting on the recording schedule. Sorry for not making that clear.
GL
Gluben
Presumably the bizarre up-then-down layout of the top of the staircase was so that cast could still be seen coming 'up' the stairs, but still end up on studio floor level. (I think the Craggy Island parochial house had similar architecture.)

Yes, this always puzzled me as a kid.... why did they have steps going up then down? But yes it's so that they didn't have to raise the landing set above the studio floor.


Though the stairs on Father Ted are very similar.... I have always wondered if they're more a homage to Fawlty Towers rather than a necessity


The thing that puzzled me on Father Ted was why there was a window to the right of the front door, when the wall with the stairs covered it up! Was it a secret room? I think it may have been in series 1 but not from series 2 onwards.
JB
JasonB
The outdoor backdrop on One Foot In The Grave is very ropey. You can often see the point at which it meets the floor and in at least one scene you can clearly see a studio light.

Actually on the subject of One Foot In The Grave, they also used an elaborate set which had four walls. The living room faced the audience, but if a scene was taking place in the kitchen, the audience would be in the background so they'd roll a fourth wall into place - sometimes mid take.

In this image the audience is behind the wall you can see through the doorway.

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One of the jokes in One Foot in the Grave was Victor getting lost and not remembering where his new house was claiming they all looked the same inside. As the series went on both neighbours on both sides of Victor's house had the same layout. Did they just dress up the one set to look like another house or did they make two more sets that looked the same?
HC
Hatton Cross
It's more to do with plain old continuity.

Due to the layout of the 'real' Craggy Island parochial house (actually, a farm house in County Clare) which, bears no internal geographical relation to the house sets used in the series.

The designer must have thought it better to include the odd window to match the internal/external shots, rather than leave it out.
BU
buster


You can understand why they made the switch though when you look at how location heavy the episodes were by the late 80s/early 90s, getting an audience, cast & crew in the studio to only shoot a few scenes and the audience watching most of it on monitors was probably an inconvenience. Changing it to being without an audience presumably meant they could shoot multiple studio scenes for different episodes at the same time and get it all done a lot quicker.


Probably a combination of that, Alan JW Bell's cinematic vision for the show (it was also widescreen earlier than most) and so the ageing cast didn't have to perform to an audience in an evening session in a studio. Mind you, that later caught up with them as by the end, they couldn't/wouldn't take Frank Thornton and Peter Sallis on location...

I actually saw them filming at Nora's front door in summer 1992 when we were in Holmfirth. Huge, huge crowds as the area did and still does make a huge tourist killing out of the LOTSW connection. I was only 8 but it struck me how long they took to film a very simple sequence of Compo going up the stairs to her door, over and over again. The three leads spent a lot of time sat on deckchairs in the sun reading or listening to personal stereos.
WH
Whataday Founding member
As the series went on both neighbours on both sides of Victor's house had the same layout. Did they just dress up the one set to look like another house or did they make two more sets that looked the same?


There were two sets, one for Victor & Margaret and one for the neighbours - usually Patrick and Pippa because Nick Swainey's house was rarely seen on screen.

When you compare both side by side, although they are similar there are clear differences. For instance Victor's kitchen door opens into the living room whereas Patrick's opens into the kitchen. Also the kitchen cupboards/worktops and appliances are all different. Both sets also have different wallpaper.
GE
thegeek Founding member

Frasier apparently double taped their episodes, leading to some editing of the two episodes taped together to create one episode for transmission. This caused a little bit of continuity errors with certain clocks and props on occasion apparently.


Frasier may have shot each episode twice, but they weren't taped, they were filmed. Frasier was shot on 35mm film, not video tape.

While we're going wildly off-topic, this seems a good thread to chuck in this collection of floorplans of (US) sitcom houses. Frasier is particularly barmy, but it's not as mad as the Golden Girls.
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NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
I sometimes wonder how comparable an American sitcom house is to a real-life American house. To live in an American house you see on a sitcom its so massive you can fit the QE2 in it. Hopefully in reality they aren't all the size of a mansion.

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