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Steve in Pudsey Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
There's nothing to listen to. DeMarkay has his opinion (which he is entitled to) and doesn't seem to want to explain his reasoning or why mine is wrong. On that basis, there is nothing more to be said.

I'm quite open to taking his point, but without context, "only 8" is meaningless.
Write that down in your copybook now.
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SA100
Justifiable but misdirected frustration.

To go from acknowledging the fact that there is a lack of diversity in the industry as a whole to complaining that a specific programme has that same lack of diversity seems to be a pretty big leap.

If the pool of people putting themselves forward for roles is predominantly white that's going to be reflected in who gets hired - that's just statistics. Doesn't the fact that there *are* 8 or 9 non-white people on the team suggest that the programme has no issue with hiring people from the BAME communities when they are the right person for the job?


People don’t put themselves forward in TV there is no job interviews. It’s a coffee shop hiring process. If your BAME and from
Bradford and don’t know anyone at X show it’s pretty difficult to
Get on the first run.
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AlexS Central (East) Midlands Today
SA100 posted:
Justifiable but misdirected frustration.

To go from acknowledging the fact that there is a lack of diversity in the industry as a whole to complaining that a specific programme has that same lack of diversity seems to be a pretty big leap.

If the pool of people putting themselves forward for roles is predominantly white that's going to be reflected in who gets hired - that's just statistics. Doesn't the fact that there *are* 8 or 9 non-white people on the team suggest that the programme has no issue with hiring people from the BAME communities when they are the right person for the job?


People don’t put themselves forward in TV there is no job interviews. It’s a coffee shop hiring process. If your BAME and from
Bradford and don’t know anyone at X show it’s pretty difficult to
Get on the first run.

Because a white person with a similar background would have a much better chance...
If the actual problem is to do with hiring processes littered with nepotism trying to solve it as though it is a problem with Racial equality will only see changes for the most privileged people from BAME backgrounds and do little to benefit those at the greatest disadvantage.
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Jon Central (West) Midlands Today
Agreed, I think it’s a class issue that as a result is also a race issue, as most middle class people tend to be white and it’s middle class people getting these jobs. I’m not sure it’s the case you need to be better at a job than a white candidate if your black but you’re less likely to be in those circles in the first place. I bet you also won’t see many white people who grew up on council estates either.

ITV are making great efforts over the last year or so in terms of represent of onscreen talent, so let’s hope that mentality makes it to off screen roles too rather than being just for show.

It’s an industry wide issue and can’t be taken out on This Morning and their crew. So they’re right to celebrate the people who make their programmes.
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Technologist London London
There are so many issues .... and other industries where even the gender diversity figures show a vast divergence from rough equality .
I am a male chartered engineer ....
women only make 5% of all registered engineers .... Eng tech IEng CEng.
https://www.wes.org.uk/content/wesstatistics

The uk is 86% people who are recorded as white .....
with Asian Say 7 to 8% and the Black about half that ..
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest

Yet I live in a London borough Ealing where the white population is a minority.
https://www.ealing.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/6295/2011_census_factsheet.pdf

The media industry has done a lot to increase its diversity in all dimensions,
And the BBC being held to,account more than most but it is not the major uk employer if production staff ...
but it has done a lot .... and being sufficiently diverse in higher positions from an industry which has historically been very un diverse in so many ways
Will take time
But as a whole the BBC is one if the better uk companies of any industry to refect the total diversity of the whole uk population.
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/reports/reports/creative-diversity-report-2020.pdf

But our communities are not uniformally diverse .... so what is the right proportion ?

But I note both the increase in the proportion of women in the technical /craft roles
And the that our industry is not the uniformly white it was when I joined ..
..... but the BBC was trying to recruit techies from black communities 40 years ago,
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alexjac0788 Meridian (South East) South East Today
In the spirit of diversity and representation, it's a shame that This Morning has opted to demote the only non-English presenter to school holidays only.
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TVViewer256 Meridian (South) South Today
I’m liking seeing all the different points, but this is a TV Pres forum.

In the past, political opinions have been removed - let’s not turn this into Twitter.

I’m aware this issue is fairly relevant in the TV industry so that might warrant a discussion here, but I’m not sure that that’s what this forum is before. Especially when it begins to get nasty (it may not have yet but it could easily escalate).

I have no actual power on the Forum so can’t dictate to anyone what to do (nor do I have the right to do that) but I’d recommend we don’t get too political.
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what West Country (East) Points West
I certainly wasn’t expecting that reaction. I posted that just as I was going to dinner, and I came back to...whatever this was.
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JAS84 Yorkshire Look North (E.Yorks & Lincs)
The pre-record stood out like a sore thumb. "Matt Lucas is currently appearing in Les Miserables The Staged Concert in London - don't miss it!....................."
Yeah, they should've edited that out, with London in tier 4 it's obviously been cancelled.

9 days later

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alexjac0788 Meridian (South East) South East Today
Phillip and Rochelle hosting the first show of 2021 tomorrow.
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addlestones West Country (West) Points West
Phillip and Rochelle hosting the first show of 2021 tomorrow.


Makes sense with the school closures
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AcerBen Granada North West Today
I wondered if Rochelle would be back given they now favour Alison, but I suppose it makes sense to keep up her a backup for when Holly or Phil needs a day off.

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