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(August 2003)

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tvarksouthwest
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2. The need to rebrand every few years "to keep the channel fresh". The longer you keep an identity, the stronger it will be surely. And what happened to "if it ain't broke don't fix it"?


But TV is an aesthetic medium, the way things look is very important. When something appears on TV every 30 minutes for a few years it gets tired. When that happens a change is absolutely necessary.

I agree the way things look is very important. Which is why, in an age where there are so many channels are screaming to get themselves noticed, the established broadcasters would be better off holding onto their identities for longer.

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Define what you mean by that - the term 'Reality TV' can refer to any one of a number of genres

Populist "make 'em famous then kick 'em in the gutter" **** such as Big Brother, Survivor and Fame Academy. Genuine reality TV, ie. news and current affairs, is all we need to fit the description.

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So what about slides? the only reason that they used to be used so much was because the technology wasn't up to running 3 trails.

The programmes aren't shorter, durations are very much the same as they always have been, junctions have got longer in some cases - but then you no longer have programmes starting bizarre times like 7:55pm!

The technology has been in place for several years now; if you run trail after trail then ident it's a naff-looking way of managing junctions. More live announcements would provide a more personal touch and allow CAs to connect with viewers. Slides were still in regular use even after the BBC1 rebrand. What's wrong with combining slides and trails?

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A human only gallery was just as prone to errors as one run by 1 man and a computer. And things were sloppier as human reactions are far slower than a computer doing the same thing.

Of course if there was no automation (even though I don't think you really know what you're talking about when you use that word) the amount of people needed to run TV stations would make 99% of them financially unviable.

Admittedly I'm not an industry professional but there's no need to be so patronising...I understand automation to mean the playout of programmes, announcements etc from servers etc. Despite the wonderful things computers do, they are still sheep-like machines which carry out literally what they are programmed to do. So if there's a late change of timings for ad breaks (as was the case on SMG last week), things look messy.

Humans aren't perfect by any means but a team in the gallery would ensure at least one of them could try to put things right!
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Simon_Luxton posted:
You could argue we've always been a 24-hour society. People have worked night shifts etc. for years. But those in need of entertainment overnight have so many other options these days - video, DVD, the Internet...

So you will deny them television? Who are you to decide that your day and prime-time enjoyment is more important than their night-time enjoyment? Shift and pattern working is one of the major realities of modern society, but you would deny this no doubt.

Your assertion that the stopping the channel 6 hours out of every 24 would lead to "better programming" is naive at best, but you sit there and triumphantly say:
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I rest my case.

Your case is empty, Simon.
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A former member
Simon_Luxton posted:
There's far more to this issue than test cards. Namely; the extra hours cost money and this was a bone of contention for BBC1 before N24 started. And the viewers aren't there to justify anything other than cheap repeats, the more repeats you have the less good your channel looks. You'd be surprised the amount of people who judge a channel on the number of repeats...


It's much the same arguement as "Free2Play" on Freeview, or the radio channels. With Free2Play you can either:

1) Have it
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2) Not have it, and waste the bandwidth as nothing else will fit in the remaing space

Similarly it's either:

1) Have programmes overnight even if repeats
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2) Not have anything at all, display a test card and waste time as no ratings winners at likely to be scheduled for 1AM.

Personally, I'd prefer to have programmes on, even if I rarely watch at Nighttime.

Simon_Luxton posted:

You could argue we've always been a 24-hour society. People have worked night shifts etc. for years. But those in need of entertainment overnight have so many other options these days - video, DVD, the Internet...


Well personally I think we should all be forced back into the seventies where there were no DVDs and noboby had the internet and TV channels displayed test cards all day.

I don't think it matters at all regarding the time of day - if I want to go on online I will. It's easier to come home drunk and whack the TV on than go rent a DVD or go online.

Besides, wouldn't renting a DVD in most cases class as watching a repeat?

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2003 or 1977, better to have 18 hours worth of good programming than 24 hours for the hell of it. Are BBC3 and BBC4 24 hours? No? And are they any worse for that? I rest my case.


But BBC3 and BBC4 don't have enough content to go 24hours and they aren't very good for the few hours that they are on for in many cases.

Music channels serve their purpose at night, as do channels such as Cartoon Network.
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tvarksouthwest
Aren't the target audience of cartoon channels usually in bed overnight?

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Well personally I think we should all be forced back into the seventies where there were no DVDs and noboby had the internet and TV channels displayed test cards all day.

Not true of course (about TV channels disaplaying test cards "all day") - ITV began at 9:30am while BBC1 and BBC2 offered fragmented programming in daytime. So there was always something on - if not on one channel than another.
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Katherine Founding member
Anyone remember that show hosted by Vanessa Feltz that got axed over the fake guests/staged audience reactions fiasco?

Oh, and Trisha; I managed to find myself seeing about three minutes of it this morning as me and mum were flicking through the channels to find something decent to eat our breakfasts to and Jeez, it was the most execrable pile of old poo I'd ever seen!!
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tvarksouthwest
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Oh, and Trisha; I managed to find myself seeing about three minutes of it this morning as me and mum were flicking through the channels to find something decent to eat our breakfasts to and Jeez, it was the most execrable pile of old poo I'd ever seen!!

And to think this is why schools moved to C4.
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Pete Founding member
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Oh, and Trisha; I managed to find myself seeing about three minutes of it this morning as me and mum were flicking through the channels to find something decent to eat our breakfasts to and Jeez, it was the most execrable pile of old poo I'd ever seen!!


say rice say rice and pea
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Katherine Founding member
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Oh, and Trisha; I managed to find myself seeing about three minutes of it this morning as me and mum were flicking through the channels to find something decent to eat our breakfasts to and Jeez, it was the most execrable pile of old poo I'd ever seen!!


say rice say rice and peas

Pardon? You've lost me.......
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A former member
Simon_Luxton posted:
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Oh, and Trisha; I managed to find myself seeing about three minutes of it this morning as me and mum were flicking through the channels to find something decent to eat our breakfasts to and Jeez, it was the most execrable pile of old poo I'd ever seen!!

And to think this is why schools moved to C4.


Hmm... perhaps things would be better if BBC2 and Channel 4 were scrapped. Then we'd have three main terrestrial channels to share programmes across.

Naturally, that will never happen, but if it did I reckon things would be a lot better.
DJ
DJGM
Katherine posted:

Hymagumba posted:

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Oh, and Trisha; I managed to find myself seeing about three
minutes of it this morning as me and mum were flicking through the
channels to find something decent to eat our breakfasts to and Jeez,
it was the most execrable pile of old poo I'd ever seen!!



say rice say rice and peas


Pardon? You've lost me.......


I take it you've never watched "Bo Selecta" then . . . ?
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Corin
Hymagumba posted:
ITV's appauling idea of scheduling. Nothing ever stays in the same place. It's disgusting and Americanised


Hardly. American schedules generaly follow the same pattern weekday after weekday, even on Christmas day, particularly on the independents. The only thing that causes a change to scheduled programs on the networks are major events like the OJ trial or somebody flying a plane into the WTC.
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A former member
Simon_Luxton posted:

Admittedly I'm not an industry professional but there's no need to be so patronising...I understand automation to mean the playout of programmes, announcements etc from servers etc.


Which is diffrent from what it actually is in real life.

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Despite the wonderful things computers do, they are still sheep-like machines which carry out literally what they are programmed to do. So if there's a late change of timings for ad breaks (as was the case on SMG last week), things look messy.

Humans aren't perfect by any means but a team in the gallery would ensure at least one of them could try to put things right!


I think you'll find that there are very few channels that broadcast completely automatically with no human supervision. It's only the extreme minority channels and the very cash strapped that do - i.e. shopping channels, RSLs, Open Access and the like on SKy.

As for sheep like, there is normally always some sort of facility for manual intervention

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