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What's the problem with 24 hour TV? Not all of us are tucked up in bed by 11:00
2. The need to rebrand every few years "to keep the channel fresh". The longer you keep an identity, the stronger it will be surely. And what happened to "if it ain't broke don't fix it"?
But TV is an aesthetic medium, the way things look is very important. When something appears on TV every 30 minutes for a few years it gets tired. When that happens a change is absolutely necessary.
4. Reality TV.
Define what you mean by that - the term 'Reality TV' can refer to any one of a number of genres
5. The almost-death of programme slides on BBC1 and BBC2.
6. BBC junctions getting longer and being filled with expensive, counter-productive promos, while the programmes get shorter.
So what about slides? the only reason that they used to be used so much was because the technology wasn't up to running 3 trails.
The programmes aren't shorter, durations are very much the same as they always have been, junctions have got longer in some cases - but then you no longer have programmes starting bizarre times like 7:55pm!
9. Automated presentation. The scourge of technical staff and lamentable when it screws up.
A human only gallery was just as prone to errors as one run by 1 man and a computer. And things were sloppier as human reactions are far slower than a computer doing the same thing.
Of course if there was no automation (even though I don't think you really know what you're talking about when you use that word) the amount of people needed to run TV stations would make 99% of them financially unviable.
A former member
Simon_Luxton posted:
Now, where do I begin?
1. 24-hour broadcasting on *all* five channels, with only BBC2 the exception (even if it's just at weekends).
1. 24-hour broadcasting on *all* five channels, with only BBC2 the exception (even if it's just at weekends).
What's the problem with 24 hour TV? Not all of us are tucked up in bed by 11:00
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2. The need to rebrand every few years "to keep the channel fresh". The longer you keep an identity, the stronger it will be surely. And what happened to "if it ain't broke don't fix it"?
But TV is an aesthetic medium, the way things look is very important. When something appears on TV every 30 minutes for a few years it gets tired. When that happens a change is absolutely necessary.
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4. Reality TV.
Define what you mean by that - the term 'Reality TV' can refer to any one of a number of genres
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5. The almost-death of programme slides on BBC1 and BBC2.
6. BBC junctions getting longer and being filled with expensive, counter-productive promos, while the programmes get shorter.
So what about slides? the only reason that they used to be used so much was because the technology wasn't up to running 3 trails.
The programmes aren't shorter, durations are very much the same as they always have been, junctions have got longer in some cases - but then you no longer have programmes starting bizarre times like 7:55pm!
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9. Automated presentation. The scourge of technical staff and lamentable when it screws up.
A human only gallery was just as prone to errors as one run by 1 man and a computer. And things were sloppier as human reactions are far slower than a computer doing the same thing.
Of course if there was no automation (even though I don't think you really know what you're talking about when you use that word) the amount of people needed to run TV stations would make 99% of them financially unviable.
CH
What's that?
What are you talking about? You can get a freeview box for £70
I'm talking about freeview!! ffs!!
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3. ECPs.
What's that?
Hymagumba posted:
Cheese Head posted:
I just think all the extra Digital equipment is expensive. 500pounds for an STB can be found on the market now a days.
What are you talking about? You can get a freeview box for £70
I'm talking about freeview!! ffs!!
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A former member
You've never heard of End Credit Promotions? Where have you been for the last two years?
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What's that?
What are you talking about? You can get a freeview box for £70
I'm talking about freeview!! ffs!!
Yes... Hymagumba and I were talking about Freeview too and you can get a set top box for £70.
Why do so many people hate ECPs? Very few people read the credits and it provides something interesting to watch if you're waiting for the next programme.
A former member
Cheese Head posted:
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3. ECPs.
What's that?
Hymagumba posted:
Cheese Head posted:
I just think all the extra Digital equipment is expensive. 500pounds for an STB can be found on the market now a days.
What are you talking about? You can get a freeview box for £70
I'm talking about freeview!! ffs!!
Yes... Hymagumba and I were talking about Freeview too and you can get a set top box for £70.
Why do so many people hate ECPs? Very few people read the credits and it provides something interesting to watch if you're waiting for the next programme.
PE
indeed we were. tsk.
I think it's more of a dislike of the big flashy ones that interrupt sad endings and stuff. The Channel 4 ECP is perfect.
What is wrong with 24 hour TV Luxxie? I'm pretty nocturnal so should I have nothing to watch?
Pete
Founding member
chrisb posted:
Yes... Hymagumba and I were talking about Freeview too and you can get a set top box for £70.
indeed we were. tsk.
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Why do so many people hate ECPs? Very few people read the credits and it provides something interesting to watch if you're waiting for the next programme.
I think it's more of a dislike of the big flashy ones that interrupt sad endings and stuff. The Channel 4 ECP is perfect.
What is wrong with 24 hour TV Luxxie? I'm pretty nocturnal so should I have nothing to watch?
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A former member
Bloody hell Luxton, what's your issue with the telly being on for 24 hours? Just because you can't watch a bloody testcard! I've been to your forum and many people's views there seem amazingly out of touch with the modern world. We are a 24-hour society now, even if we weren't in 1977. Live with it.
Soaps on ITV - far too many of them. There were at most 5 on the channel counting Shortland Street however two of these five soaps have now ceased transmission (Crossroads, following a pathetic revamp, and Night & Day following stupid ITV Network Centre treatment of it)
The only two good soaps went out of the window - in Crossroads' case I'm referring to how I knew and loved it before 2003 - and we're left with boring old Emmerdale "He raped me!" "No I didn't!" and Croronation "Let's shove another Ford Glaxy in the canal" Street.
Pathetic.
Soaps on ITV - far too many of them. There were at most 5 on the channel counting Shortland Street however two of these five soaps have now ceased transmission (Crossroads, following a pathetic revamp, and Night & Day following stupid ITV Network Centre treatment of it)
The only two good soaps went out of the window - in Crossroads' case I'm referring to how I knew and loved it before 2003 - and we're left with boring old Emmerdale "He raped me!" "No I didn't!" and Croronation "Let's shove another Ford Glaxy in the canal" Street.
Pathetic.
AN
Tune in tonight at 8, I think you'll find the titles will just say "Tonight"
Andrew
Founding member
Digifiend posted:
Tonight with Trevor McDonald springs to mind. It often uses martin Bashir, so shouldn't they rename it just plain Tonight? It's been a while now since Yorkshire's local Tonight show bit the dust after all!
PE
tsk @ you being anti-Crossraods again. Scott is not impressed.
Although on a related note - ITV's appauling idea of scheduling. Nothing ever stays in the same place. It's disgusting and Americanised. Why won't ITV learn that people don't like this?
Pete
Founding member
James Martin posted:
Crossroads, following a pathetic revamp, and Night & Day following stupid ITV Network Centre treatment of it
The only two good soaps went out of the window - in Crossroads' case I'm referring to how I knew and loved it before 2003
Pathetic.
The only two good soaps went out of the window - in Crossroads' case I'm referring to how I knew and loved it before 2003
Pathetic.
tsk @ you being anti-Crossraods again. Scott is not impressed.
Although on a related note - ITV's appauling idea of scheduling. Nothing ever stays in the same place. It's disgusting and Americanised. Why won't ITV learn that people don't like this?
TV
There's far more to this issue than test cards. Namely; the extra hours cost money and this was a bone of contention for BBC1 before N24 started. And the viewers aren't there to justify anything other than cheap repeats, the more repeats you have the less good your channel looks. You'd be surprised the amount of people who judge a channel on the number of repeats...
You could argue we've always been a 24-hour society. People have worked night shifts etc. for years. But those in need of entertainment overnight have so many other options these days - video, DVD, the Internet...
2003 or 1977, better to have 18 hours worth of good programming than 24 hours for the hell of it. Are BBC3 and BBC4 24 hours? No? And are they any worse for that? I rest my case.
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Bloody hell
Simon,
what's your issue with the telly being on for 24 hours? Just because you can't watch a bloody testcard! I've been to your forum and many people's views there seem amazingly out of touch with the modern world. We are a 24-hour society now, even if we weren't in 1977. Live with it.
There's far more to this issue than test cards. Namely; the extra hours cost money and this was a bone of contention for BBC1 before N24 started. And the viewers aren't there to justify anything other than cheap repeats, the more repeats you have the less good your channel looks. You'd be surprised the amount of people who judge a channel on the number of repeats...
You could argue we've always been a 24-hour society. People have worked night shifts etc. for years. But those in need of entertainment overnight have so many other options these days - video, DVD, the Internet...
2003 or 1977, better to have 18 hours worth of good programming than 24 hours for the hell of it. Are BBC3 and BBC4 24 hours? No? And are they any worse for that? I rest my case.