Gogland, LOL. I notice you mention the bad place Jamez -- why on earth would living there be connected to bloody mindedness and nationalism..? I can't think for the life of me, personally.. Ugh.
My feelings on North Wales are more than plain. They're different up there, they don't seem to be as welcoming, they turn their back on English people and speak about them in Welsh [as they do in C*********shire].
Their towns are vile [Portmeirion and Llandudno will do though], Anglesey needs sinking, and they seem to have a chip on their shoulder that all the nice things are in the south. Which they quite clearly are.
Quite why North Wales stretches down through Ceredigion down to the bad place I don't know. Even Llanelli is in North Wales in my opinion, with Pembs being the little island nation cut off from civilization. I'm sure there are some nice people in the North, perhaps even a couple in Carms [], but the majority spoil it for me.
The only county I have little experience of is Powys. I have no idea what goes on there. Do you? Perhaps you can help. It seems like the lost county to me. I know they sound English there, and the LibDems are popular [Lembit Opek's in Radnorshire]. Whenever I've driven through it seems almost totally forest. And always in the shade, wherever you go. Most peculiar.
Why is there a North/South divide in England? I'd say it was stronger there. I've heard some really vile, vicious and nasty things said in a northern office about 'southern b*stards' and what they think of them, and a few Londoners had issues with the north when I lived there. It's just pointless little stereotypes that keep up the "us and them" mentality.
But it's nowhere near a civil war -- so as it stands, it seems to just be a way of passing time.
I agree that this thread should be renamed 'The Jez AND TVDragon talk about Wales' thread.
There was the gripping final of HTV's First Past The Post last night and no-one has even mentioned the programme.
Once again the thread has drifted off into 'wales talk' rather than 'wales tv talk'
I just dont know what im going to do with you all - and its April Fools Day aswell!
Surely HTV and BBC have aired their AFD stories yet?
I was replying to Jamez and dpw03. Quite what you're on about there then I don't know.
I didn't see First Past The Post yesterday, I wasn't in, so I couldn't comment! You'd prefer me to talk about something I know nothing about? I saw the last two weeks' programmes, but not yesterday's.
I hope free prescriptions for all in Wales isn't their April Fool's Joke -- that'll win a lot of people over, I feel.
I dont watch the series "First Past the Post " which is why I couldnt possibly comment.
I think its good that we could get free prescriptions - I get them free anyway atm what with being under 25 but in a couple of years I will b 25 so would have to pay for them.
I wonder whats happened to Andrew Jones then? Ruth Wignel said on the late bulletin last night that he would be on the morning news but it was Sally this morning. This could be good news though cos our Sal doesnt like doing more than 2 days so we could see Justina on before the end of the week!
Nice to see Jonathan and Juliet on the 6pm programme together yet again! As much as I like Lucy I would prefer Juliet as the main presenter at 6pm. Juliet is also on the late bulletin
Been away for a couple of days so just read through the last few pages of the thread and I see that the old North v South ( or should it be Gog v Hwntw ) debate has been raised again. As a Welsh speaking south Walien valleys boy, with family roots in Pembrokeshire, Lleyn Peninsula and Anglesey, and now living and working in north east Wales (which seems to be north west England dominated, especially in press, tv and radio), I feel I must add my thoughts to this.
Why do we have to bicker amongst ourselves, Wales is a small beautiful country with just under a 3 million population ( and in some places a lot of the population are from outside Wales). We should be proud of all 4 corners of Wales and each area can offer something different ( it would be a boring place otherwise). I know most of the stuff said is only banter ( and I'm guilty of that myself) however one of Wales' and the Welsh's biggest downfalls through history is the constant "mistrust" and bicker between areas. Its not just north v south, it can be valley v valley or town v town or even chapel v chapel!! The latest rugby issues are just a futher example of area v area. Remember the old saying UNITED WE STAND DEVIDED WE FALL, so lets be proud of good old Cymru Fach before we start to loose certain areas.
Anyway back to the main topic:- WELSH TV and its presentation, and here's one to get the ball rolling. Do you agree or dissagree with me on this one.
With the advent of anologue tv closing down ( therefore enabling CH4 and S4C to be viewed by all), ITV becoming less of a regional channel, would it not be better to make S4C Digidol a truely Welsh Channel i.e. a channel broadcasting programmes in Welsh and also broadcasting programmes in English ( made by independents, BBC Wales, HTV and any other company which wishes to do so) that have a Welsh interest., rather than struggle to fill its schedule with just Welsh language programmes. I believe this "new" channel would have a very strong programme schedule as you would be showing the best of BBC 1 Wales, 2W and HTV. It would also please the viewers who currently complain when a regional programme is shown in place of a network proramme. It would also attract Welsh ex-pats living in other countries as you would have a channel from Wales for Wales and programmes that would be of interest.
Been away for a couple of days so just read through the last few pages of the thread and I see that the old North v South ( or should it be Gog v Hwntw ) debate has been raised again. As a Welsh speaking south Walien valleys boy, with family roots in Pembrokeshire, Lleyn Peninsula and Anglesey, and now living and working in north east Wales (which seems to be north west England dominated, especially in press, tv and radio), I feel I must add my thoughts to this.
Why do we have to bicker amongst ourselves, Wales is a small beautiful country with just under a 3 million population ( and in some places a lot of the population are from outside Wales). We should be proud of all 4 corners of Wales and each area can offer something different ( it would be a boring place otherwise). I know most of the stuff said is only banter ( and I'm guilty of that myself) however one of Wales' and the Welsh's biggest downfalls through history is the constant "mistrust" and bicker between areas. Its not just north v south, it can be valley v valley or town v town or even chapel v chapel!! The latest rugby issues are just a futher example of area v area. Remember the old saying UNITED WE STAND DEVIDED WE FALL, so lets be proud of good old Cymru Fach before we start to loose certain areas.
Anyway back to the main topic:- WELSH TV and its presentation, and here's one to get the ball rolling. Do you agree or dissagree with me on this one.
With the advent of anologue tv closing down ( therefore enabling CH4 and S4C to be viewed by all), ITV becoming less of a regional channel, would it not be better to make S4C Digidol a truely Welsh Channel i.e. a channel broadcasting programmes in Welsh and also broadcasting programmes in English ( made by independents, BBC Wales, HTV and any other company which wishes to do so) that have a Welsh interest., rather than struggle to fill its schedule with just Welsh language programmes. I believe this "new" channel would have a very strong programme schedule as you would be showing the best of BBC 1 Wales, 2W and HTV. It would also please the viewers who currently complain when a regional programme is shown in place of a network proramme. It would also attract Welsh ex-pats living in other countries as you would have a channel from Wales for Wales and programmes that would be of interest.
With the advent of anologue tv closing down ( therefore enabling CH4 and S4C to be viewed by all), ITV becoming less of a regional channel, would it not be better to make S4C Digidol a truely Welsh Channel i.e. a channel broadcasting programmes in Welsh and also broadcasting programmes in English ( made by independents, BBC Wales, HTV and any other company which wishes to do so) that have a Welsh interest., rather than struggle to fill its schedule with just Welsh language programmes. I believe this "new" channel would have a very strong programme schedule as you would be showing the best of BBC 1 Wales, 2W and HTV. It would also please the viewers who currently complain when a regional programme is shown in place of a network proramme. It would also attract Welsh ex-pats living in other countries as you would have a channel from Wales for Wales and programmes that would be of interest.
It does seem like a good idea. I've always wanted S4C~ to be restructured into a channel in its own right, perhaps broadcasting only 10-12 hrs a day, but quite separately to C4, which would be enabled in Wales, to get rid of the silly 'second class citizen' feel Welsh viewers have of C4 programmes -- having them time-shifted away, not being able to ring in for phone votes 9 times out of 10, programmes disappearing altogether.
This idea of S4C~ would change the agenda of it, but make it, as you say, a proper Welsh channel and it can exploit the excellent units at BBC Wales and HTV -- the English/Welsh language content, but still Welsh-only focus may prevent the main issue with why this would never happen -- i.e. that the Welsh language market, although it will always have its own popular support in key areas, isn't a growing one, and it can never expand. Perhaps it could be bought by a handful of people abroad, but S4C~ is a company and they need to make money. They made their money before [in the days before digital and cable were widespread] because S4C~ was the only choice and they then drew revenue from advertising, with HTV. They had a claw hold on Wales since the only way to watch C4 programmes, was through them. Any promotion of Welsh language programmes that meant people watched the Welsh programme after, would be very rare, since -- you're either going to watch Welsh programmes [and you can speak Welsh], or you're not -- it's not like you'll see a programme promoted later that you then go and watch [like on BBC1], cos the language is different.
So this separation of C4 and S4C~, although ideal and sounds like a good idea, in practice probably won't ever happen because the inevitable would happen and not enough people would watch the channel for S4C~ to stay afloat. BBC Wales is licence payers' money, so is fixed, and I'm sure HTV would be gone by then, so whether they'd want to keep paying money into it, and so on. S4C~ still have a bit of a strangle hold on the terrestrial fourth channel market, for those that still haven't turned their aerial round to C4 or got Sky/cable [pretty few now..], but that is getting weaker all the time.
Couple of other things ~
Mel and Sue is now being shown in Wales, with S4C~ Ysgolion being shifted to 0930 in line with England/Scot/NI, although the programmes are still different.
And does anyone notice how Rhodri Davies always calls Lucy Cohen "Suzy"? He does. When she links over to him for the sport he says, "Thanks Suzy".
And does anyone notice how Rhodri Davies always calls Lucy Cohen "Suzy"? He does. When she links over to him for the sport he says, "Thanks Suzy".
I cant say ive noticed tbh - I'm sure he says Lucy?
Did anyone notice Sour Catherine Evan-Zeta-Douglas-Jones-Williams did the final report tonight? Also it was Jonathan and Juliet again so Lucy must be off all week. And Andrew was on this morning
I think Rhodri does call her Suzie at the end of the sport bulletin and Andrew Jones actually smiled this morning when he got the web address wrong for itv1wales.com forward slash htvwales news!
What a mouthfull
why cant it just be:-
itv1wales.com/news
much simpler and ready for when the htv portion is dropped from the news title all together!
Ugh.
], but the majority spoil it for me.