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TL
toby lerone 2016 UTV Newsline
Yes, it was a delight to see the Channel 4 programme again. I said this on Twitter yesterday, but if anybody wanted an example of how much Channel 4 moved on cricket coverage, compare yesterday's archive cricket from 2000 with the match shown last week (still on iPlayer) from 1995. The 2000 coverage (by which I mean camera work, slo-mo replays, graphics, sound) is very similar to what Sky give us today (in terms of the feed), whereas it's lightyears ahead of where the BBC left it in 1998.

Barry Richards was also credited as a commentator in that match - the BBC's astons listing the commentators were clearly designed to cover up the original commentator graphics from the Channel 4 programme, which contained the Channel 4 logo.

And yes, Slater made his commentary debut here in the UK with C4 in 2000. He joined them again in 2001 for the first half of the summer before joining up with the Australian team to win the Ashes in the second half, and was back on the team for 2002 and, memorably, 2005.

It was interesting to note the there was a deliberate 'World of Cricket' feel for the commentary team in the early years of C4, with the use of commentators who were neither English nor representing the touring team. For example, they used Wasim Akram in 1999, Ian Smith, Michael Slater and Barry Richards in 2000, Ian Bishop and Ian Smith in 2001, Michael Slater, Barry Richards and Ian Smith in 2002 and Ian Smith in 2003. This changed a bit from 2004 when C4 wanted it to become more 'England focused' so this led to the hiring of Boycott and an all-English commentary team with one touring commentator (excluding Richie Benaud, but he's honourably English, isn't he?!)


Amazing to see the difference, I am too young to remember any BBC Cricket before Channel 4 had the rights but what amazing coverage they had and still for me to this day has never been surpassed by Sky and Sunset & Vine might be missed this coming summer of cricket. Even the innovations like Snickometer, Red Zone, Hawkeye (which came later than 2000) were excellent and added to the coverage and Channel 4 coverage is my earliest cricket memory. Thanks for filling in the other gaps and as you said there was a distinctive change post 2003 where they got Boycott, Atherton etc in and made it more English focused.

Also I thought it was nice BBC credited Channel 4 commentary which they didn't have to do as the ECB would have had the rights/footage handed back to them when the rights moved from Channel 4 to Sky. They didn't credit any ITV/Sky Sports/World Feed commentary on Match of their Day recently or Classic F1 in the past.
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DV
DVB Cornwall West Country (West) Spotlight
FA Cup Semi Final Draw


Manchester United v Chelsea

Arsenal v Manchester City


to be played July 18/19
Last edited by DVB Cornwall on 28 June 2020 8:18pm
ET
ethanh05 Wales Wales Today
FA Cup Semi Final Draw


Manchester United v Chelsea

Arsenal v Manchester City


to be played July 18/19

What a boring lineup.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member Central (West) Midlands Today
FA Cup Semi Final Draw


Manchester United v Chelsea

Arsenal v Manchester City


to be played July 18/19

What a boring lineup.


You know where the power switch is on your TV and how to use it?
You could make use of a "Built-in Orderly Organized Knowledge" device instead... Wink
AJ
AJB39
FA Cup Semi Final Draw


Manchester United v Chelsea

Arsenal v Manchester City


to be played July 18/19

What a boring lineup.

I presume you are joking. They’re too great semi-finals and a Manchester derby FA Cup Final if it happens would be very special for Manchester even if the competition doesn’t mean as much as it once did and even if the fans can’t be there.
Last edited by AJB39 on 28 June 2020 10:19pm
DV
DVB Cornwall West Country (West) Spotlight
Whatever final results will be competitive, Arsenal needing it most of all. I'm quite fancying either the all Manchester or all London options of finalists.
JO
Jon Central (West) Midlands Today
Well that is two of the three possible combinations, you’ve named there.
GE
thegeek Founding member London London
Jon posted:
Well that is two of the three possible combinations, you’ve named there.

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MA
madmusician Central (West) Midlands Today
Yes, it was a delight to see the Channel 4 programme again. I said this on Twitter yesterday, but if anybody wanted an example of how much Channel 4 moved on cricket coverage, compare yesterday's archive cricket from 2000 with the match shown last week (still on iPlayer) from 1995. The 2000 coverage (by which I mean camera work, slo-mo replays, graphics, sound) is very similar to what Sky give us today (in terms of the feed), whereas it's lightyears ahead of where the BBC left it in 1998.

Barry Richards was also credited as a commentator in that match - the BBC's astons listing the commentators were clearly designed to cover up the original commentator graphics from the Channel 4 programme, which contained the Channel 4 logo.

And yes, Slater made his commentary debut here in the UK with C4 in 2000. He joined them again in 2001 for the first half of the summer before joining up with the Australian team to win the Ashes in the second half, and was back on the team for 2002 and, memorably, 2005.

It was interesting to note the there was a deliberate 'World of Cricket' feel for the commentary team in the early years of C4, with the use of commentators who were neither English nor representing the touring team. For example, they used Wasim Akram in 1999, Ian Smith, Michael Slater and Barry Richards in 2000, Ian Bishop and Ian Smith in 2001, Michael Slater, Barry Richards and Ian Smith in 2002 and Ian Smith in 2003. This changed a bit from 2004 when C4 wanted it to become more 'England focused' so this led to the hiring of Boycott and an all-English commentary team with one touring commentator (excluding Richie Benaud, but he's honourably English, isn't he?!)


Amazing to see the difference, I am too young to remember any BBC Cricket before Channel 4 had the rights but what amazing coverage they had and still for me to this day has never been surpassed by Sky and Sunset & Vine might be missed this coming summer of cricket. Even the innovations like Snickometer, Red Zone, Hawkeye (which came later than 2000) were excellent and added to the coverage and Channel 4 coverage is my earliest cricket memory. Thanks for filling in the other gaps and as you said there was a distinctive change post 2003 where they got Boycott, Atherton etc in and made it more English focused.

Also I thought it was nice BBC credited Channel 4 commentary which they didn't have to do as the ECB would have had the rights/footage handed back to them when the rights moved from Channel 4 to Sky. They didn't credit any ITV/Sky Sports/World Feed commentary on Match of their Day recently or Classic F1 in the past.
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Yes, Hawkeye came along in 2001 to complete the set of the innovations. The next big step forward was HotSpot, which was a Channel 9 innovation in 2006, adopted by Sky in the 2007 summer. They’ve now dropped HotSpot in favour of UltraEdge in the DRS portfolio, and clearly it’s felt that HotSpot isn’t worth the cost for its additions to the coverage now it is no longer a part of the DRS process, as we haven’t seen it for a number of years.

Incidentally, if anybody would like a further look-back on Channel 4 cricket, there’s a wonderfully in-depth two part podcast with Mark Nicholas that’s been released during lockdown. Part 1 is here https://finalwordcricket.com/2020/06/10/season-8-ep-12-mark-nicholas-part-i/ And you can find Part 2 by following the links on the website. It includes behind-the-scenes stories that even I (as a massive C4 cricket aficionado) didn’t know, and both parts are well worth a listen.

I also enjoyed Mark Nicholas’ own podcast (which he’s started up during lockdown). Of particular note when it comes to cricket coverage are the episodes with Mike Atherton and Isa Guha. I particularly liked the Guha one, as it’s the nearest we’ll get to a proper ‘handover’ between the two of them as the face of terrestrial cricket.
SW
Steve Williams
What a boring lineup.


If only there was some way we could have less familiar teams in the semi-finals. Perhaps some kind of competition to decide who's in them?
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AA
Amber Avenger Granada North West Today
What a boring lineup.


If only there was some way we could have less familiar teams in the semi-finals. Perhaps some kind of competition to decide who's in them?


The funny thing is, in recent years when we have had less familiar teams in the semis people have complained that it's also boring because the top teams aren't there or taking it seriously enough!!
ET
ethanh05 Wales Wales Today
What a boring lineup.


If only there was some way we could have less familiar teams in the semi-finals. Perhaps some kind of competition to decide who's in them?


The funny thing is, in recent years when we have had less familiar teams in the semis people have complained that it's also boring because the top teams aren't there or taking it seriously enough!!

Last year's semis produced one of the most entertaining semi-finals for years between two non top 6 teams.

Of course, these teams fully deserve a place in the semi-finals and have obviously earnt it. But it's a bit dull that these four teams have won a grand total of 9 out of the last 10 FA Cup Finals - they barely even care if they win it at this point, it doesn't even pay well financially compared to other competitions.

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