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Hatton Cross3,328 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today
Purely Hypothetical at this stage but I've had a think as to how a complete weekend of PL matches could be televised without encroaching on the 3.00pm slot

Fri Eve 1,
Sat Lunch 2,
Sat Early Eve 2,
Sat Eve 1,
Sun 1415 2,
Sun 1630 1 and
Mon 2000 1
would fit with the showpiece fixtures getting the single match slots.

That would work, although why two games at 2.15 on Sunday? Chuck a local Derby at noon on Sunday, and you'd have no overlap of any game in that day. To split even further, have two games early Saturday at 11.30am and 1pm.

But, as you say purly hyperthetical (but fun to work out)
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Steve Williams2,878 posts since 1 Aug 2008
Purely Hypothetical at this stage but I've had a think as to how a complete weekend of PL matches could be televised without encroaching on the 3.00pm slot


That may be within the letter of the law, but I don't think it's within the spirit of it. If in the end you're just saying Premier League matches can be at any time of the weekend apart from 3pm on Saturday, the whole concept of the blackout just becomes ridiculous, a token gesture. And Saturday 3pm hasn't become the familiar kick-off time just by chance - it's the most convenient time for clubs and fans alike and when people want to watch football. I don't think you'd get much of a positive response from fans if you told them that Premier League matches would now never be at 3pm on a Saturday. OK, I know most of the big clubs barely play there, but there was a banner at Palace this week complaining about Amazon fiddling about with the kick-off times, and that was because it kicked off at 7.30 rather than the more familiar 7.45. But that was clearly less convenient for many fans.

I've said this before but there's absolutely no benefit for lower league clubs if they're the only teams playing at 3pm on Saturday. At the moment they benefit from casual fans tuning in to Soccer Saturday and Final Score for Premier League news and getting the lower league news as well. It gives them additional exposure. If there wasn't the Premier League at the same time people wouldn't tune in at all. You can already see that on international weekends when the audience for Soccer Saturday plummets. That's not protecting the lower leagues, that's hindering them. It would be worse for them than allowing Premier League matches to be shown live at 3pm on Saturday. And again, you would not get a very good response if people wanted to go to or listen to a football match on Saturday at 3pm and all they had was lower league football. It's one of the prime slots of the weekend.

I don't think there's much of a market for every match to be shown live. I know Max Rushden is exaggerating for comic effect here but I thoght it was quite a perceptive point.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/dec/04/four-screens-countless-tweets-modern-perils-consuming-football-amazon-prime-max-rushden
"It turns out Amazon’s major selling point – that you can watch all the games – is the worst thing about it. You CAN watch all the games. You CAN watch Crystal Palace v Bournemouth. Any other year, we would have been blissfully unaware of such an offering. Two minutes at the end of Match of the Day when you’ve stopped concentrating. A three paragraph report in a paper to be skimmed over."
And I would agree with that. Palace vs Bournemouth was a bit of a novelty at the first match, but what benefit is there of moving it to Sunday lunchtime, for fans or broadcasters? If you're not on the Palace coaching staff, who genuinely really needs to see all of it?

In addition, of course you're incredibly limited as to when teams can actually play of a weekend, so there'll be umpteen weekends when pretty much nobody can play on one of the days because of Europe. Again, Saturday 3pm hasn't just been picked at random, in many weekends it's pretty much the only time they can play.

Considering due to the Europa League there are quite often two unbroadcast games on a Sunday I wouldn't be surprised if that is accounted for in the next deal.


There was a bit of a fuss about this the other week when Wolves vs Man City was played on a Sunday and not televised live, but of course the only reason why anyone suggested that should be shown live is because they were playing Man City, and nobody was bothered when Wolves vs Palace was an untelevised Sunday kick-off a few weeks earlier.

It's all very well saying if it's on a Sunday it should be shown live, but that just means this season it would be a load more Wolves, Arsenal and Man U matches, and so they'd have substantially more matches on telly. So you end up with the rule "You're live on telly if you're playing Wolves, Arsenal or Man U after they've been in Europe", which sounds very strange indeed. You'll get fans of other clubs checking the fixture list and moaning if they're not playing them that week. And of course what the Premier League really needs is more Man U matches on telly.
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DVB Cornwall8,666 posts since 4 Dec 2003
Westcountry Spotlight
Just been on an Internet trawl session, and found an interesting documentary series similar to the Amazon 'All or Nothing' full access, warts and all series on RED BULL TV of all places. It's not too surprising though as it goes behind Red Bull Salzburg's season in easily digestible chunks. It's naturally in German but with English subtitles.

Have watched three episodes so far and it's very very good imo.

(It should have some expletive warnings though!)

Edit: They even had their own team coach driven from Salzburg to Liverpool to travel to and from Anfield on CL match day. Bonkers
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DVB Cornwall8,666 posts since 4 Dec 2003
Westcountry Spotlight
Been watching Sky's Manchester Derby coverage this afternoon, much more acceptable than any of the usual fare, even with Roy Keane in the studio. I usually take in a Bundeliga Fixture in the timeslot. Kelly Cates holds it all together well. Why can't they replicate this presentation style in their other slots? Do they really need the change across the slots?

If they can dispose of David Gower for their Cricket matches, can they not dump others especially those that cause argument and rancour.

A much less confrontational style pays off.
Tim Goodwin165 posts since 1 Aug 2014
Granada North West Today
Purely Hypothetical at this stage but I've had a think as to how a complete weekend of PL matches could be televised without encroaching on the 3.00pm slot

Fri Eve 1,
Sat Lunch 2,
Sat Early Eve 2,
Sat Eve 1,
Sun 1415 2,
Sun 1630 1 and
Mon 2000 1
would fit with the showpiece fixtures getting the single match slots.

That would work, although why two games at 2.15 on Sunday? Chuck a local Derby at noon on Sunday, and you'd have no overlap of any game in that day. To split even further, have two games early Saturday at 11.30am and 1pm.

But, as you say purly hyperthetical (but fun to work out)


The premier league could operate like UEFA with its week of football for the Euro qualifiers.
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nwtv20038,409 posts since 5 Jan 2003
Granada North West Today
Been watching Sky's Manchester Derby coverage this afternoon, much more acceptable than any of the usual fare, even with Roy Keane in the studio. I usually take in a Bundeliga Fixture in the timeslot. Kelly Cates holds it all together well. Why can't they replicate this presentation style in their other slots? Do they really need the change across the slots?

If they can dispose of David Gower for their Cricket matches, can they not dump others especially those that cause argument and rancour.

A much less confrontational style pays off.


Super Sunday takes near enough the same format, obviously depending on pundits, but I feel the Derby coverage today felt no different than a Sunday match. Only Monday Night Football is really different in its style of reviewing the weekend’s games before that nights match. Friday Night Football isn’t on that much, but the pitch side format I feel works well, again held well together by Cates.
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Michael4,060 posts since 5 Sep 2005
The rights get mixed up anyway around that time of year for balancing purposes, plus no-one on 28th December will actually know it's a Saturday.
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