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Brekkie30,023 posts since 4 Jan 2003 Recently warned
HTV Wales Wales Today
Longtime Cycling Commentator and former competitor Paul Sherwen has died unexpectedly in Uganda where he lived and worked

Part of a great commentary duo alongside Phil Ligget. For me they were the sound of Le Tour for over 20 years.

Were Phil and Paul effectively the world feed as they also covered it for SBS and NBC over the years, although a couple of years ago SBS dropped them but they continued on NBC. I don't follow it to closely in the UK so no idea if they continued for ITV.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
DE88651 posts since 8 Jan 2017
UTV Newsline
Racing UK to rebrand Racing TV from the New Year to reflect the inclusion of Irish racing.

https://www.a516digital.com/2018/12/racing-uk-to-be-renamed-racing-tv.html


Evolution rather than revolution as regards the new name and logo.

Isn't the rebrand of At The Races to Sky Sports Racing meant to take place on or before 1 January 2019?
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UKnews688 posts since 26 Apr 2011
Longtime Cycling Commentator and former competitor Paul Sherwen has died unexpectedly in Uganda where he lived and worked

Part of a great commentary duo alongside Phil Ligget. For me they were the sound of Le Tour for over 20 years.

Were Phil and Paul effectively the world feed as they also covered it for SBS and NBC over the years, although a couple of years ago SBS dropped them but they continued on NBC. I don't follow it to closely in the UK so no idea if they continued for ITV.


I think Phil and Paul were contracted to NBC (and it’s previous incarnations as OLN and Verses) since the US began daily live coverage when Lance Armstrong came to prominence in the late 90s / early 2000s. The issues with taking a clean US commentary increased over time.

Phil and Paul’s commentary was in ‘world feed’ style in that there were no mentions of NBC (or any other network) in what everyone other than NBC viewers would hear. Their standard of commentary was such that most English language broadcasters (other than Eurosport) would take that feed.

Paul Sherwen would fill whilst Phil Ligget talked in and out of NBC ad breaks. The problem with this is that when Phil rejoined the ‘world’ commentary he’d very often repeat what Paul had just been saying. There might be a dramatic moment you’d really expect Phil Ligget to commentate on but it ended up being Paul Sherwen because Phil was tied up with an NBC ad break. Although technically the expert summariser Paul became a very good co-commentator so this wasn’t the problem it might have been. ITV had to make sure their break lengths fitted the opt in / out points that were provided to make things sound clean.

The bigger problem came when ITV started to increase their live coverage. For the past few years NBC had an exclusive window with Phil and Paul for a period of time (an hour or 90 minutes I think) during the early part of a stage. This meant that ITV would have to use Gary Imlach and Chris Boardman to talk over the pictures before they could join Phil and Paul.

ITV dropped them in 2016 because they wanted control over the commentary. They’d got fed up having to constantly work to a count in to join commentary so decided they’d now got a good enough replacement in Ned Boulting and David Millar. To be fair they’ve got very good- when the chaotic situation happened on Mont Vonetux (that lead to Chris Froome starting to run up the road) their commentary was clearer and better than that of Ligget and Sherwen. I say that as someone who always regarded them as the voices of le tour.
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Hatton Cross2,987 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today


Isn't the rebrand of At The Races to Sky Sports Racing meant to take place on or before 1 January 2019?


Article in the Guardian yesterday said this change will take place on Jan 1 2019, along with moving production from SIS/Arqiva in Milton Keynes to Sky Sports In Osterley.

They also have filled the gap with the loss of Irish racing, with UK exclusive French racing.
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Brekkie30,023 posts since 4 Jan 2003 Recently warned
HTV Wales Wales Today
Part of a great commentary duo alongside Phil Ligget. For me they were the sound of Le Tour for over 20 years.

Were Phil and Paul effectively the world feed as they also covered it for SBS and NBC over the years, although a couple of years ago SBS dropped them but they continued on NBC. I don't follow it to closely in the UK so no idea if they continued for ITV.


I think Phil and Paul were contracted to NBC (and it’s previous incarnations as OLN and Verses) since the US began daily live coverage when Lance Armstrong came to prominence in the late 90s / early 2000s. The issues with taking a clean US commentary increased over time.

Phil and Paul’s commentary was in ‘world feed’ style in that there were no mentions of NBC (or any other network) in what everyone other than NBC viewers would hear. Their standard of commentary was such that most English language broadcasters (other than Eurosport) would take that feed.

Paul Sherwen would fill whilst Phil Ligget talked in and out of NBC ad breaks. The problem with this is that when Phil rejoined the ‘world’ commentary he’d very often repeat what Paul had just been saying. There might be a dramatic moment you’d really expect Phil Ligget to commentate on but it ended up being Paul Sherwen because Phil was tied up with an NBC ad break. Although technically the expert summariser Paul became a very good co-commentator so this wasn’t the problem it might have been. ITV had to make sure their break lengths fitted the opt in / out points that were provided to make things sound clean.

The bigger problem came when ITV started to increase their live coverage. For the past few years NBC had an exclusive window with Phil and Paul for a period of time (an hour or 90 minutes I think) during the early part of a stage. This meant that ITV would have to use Gary Imlach and Chris Boardman to talk over the pictures before they could join Phil and Paul.

ITV dropped them in 2016 because they wanted control over the commentary. They’d got fed up having to constantly work to a count in to join commentary so decided they’d now got a good enough replacement in Ned Boulting and David Millar. To be fair they’ve got very good- when the chaotic situation happened on Mont Vonetux (that lead to Chris Froome starting to run up the road) their commentary was clearer and better than that of Ligget and Sherwen. I say that as someone who always regarded them as the voices of le tour.

Thanks for all that info - you answered my question superbly.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
noggin13,895 posts since 26 Jun 2001


Isn't the rebrand of At The Races to Sky Sports Racing meant to take place on or before 1 January 2019?


Article in the Guardian yesterday said this change will take place on Jan 1 2019, along with moving production from SIS/Arqiva in Milton Keynes to Sky Sports In Osterley.

They also have filled the gap with the loss of Irish racing, with UK exclusive French racing.


I guess now SIS = Sports Information Services (not Satellite Information Services) and the former SISLive division has been sold to NEP, and will soon rebrand as 'NEP Connect' there is no real link between SISLive at Milton Keynes/Salford and horse racing.
robertclark1251,262 posts since 13 Jan 2009
STV Central Reporting Scotland
Going back to the tour de france, and the sad death of Paul Sherwin, in the late 1990s, there was an occasion where Eurosport were doing two one day races on the same day, and so David Duffield did one of them, Paul Sherwin did the other. This was one of just two occasions where Paul Sherwin, to my knowledge, did lead commentary on a race. The other was coverage of a multi stage race in Asia, the tour of Lankawe, which was broadcast in a one day highlights show on Channel 4.
London Lite9,733 posts since 4 Jan 2003
London London
Alex Hammond is moving to the rebranded Sky Sports Racing which launches on January 1st. At The Races on-air staff moving across include Gina Bryce, Kevin Blake, Matt Chapman, Mick Fitzgerald, Luke Harvey, Hayley Moore and Jason Weaver.

Studio pic on Sky Sports News.

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DE88651 posts since 8 Jan 2017
UTV Newsline
I guess John McCririck's TV career is well and truly over now.

Thommo isn't mentioned either.
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