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Brekkie29,572 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today
It'll likely be the week after but a huge ask, especially as the bigger stars are now far more selective when it comes to their schedule. Committing to a 2-3 match event when you're one of two teams competing in the final at the end of the season is far different to commiting to up to 5 matches (though now best of 3 set rather than 5) when you've a one in 18 chance of lifting the trophy.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
MY83465 posts since 16 Nov 2016
Scorebar discussion , slight return .....

Here's something interesting (by our standards) and something I don't actually remember from the time -

The 1998 autumn international rugby match between Wales and South Africa at Wembley. The match was remarkable for two reasons unrelated to TV - one it was the first in the Graham Henry era and nearly resulted in a *first* ever win for Wales against the 'Boks (which would eventually come the following June in the first ever match at the Millennium Stadium. Secondly it came on the tails of a humiliating 96-13 reverse in Wales' summer tour of SA, so a much better result and a much closer, much improved Welsh performance.

Here's a Sky News report of the game. Notice anything weird?


Yep - the BBC score bug, apart from being a horrible mishmash of pre- and post- MLN BBC Sport styles, is on the right of the screen. I don't remember if this game was shown on BBC One nationwide or just in Wales, but what could be the possible reason for this.

Oh wait. *nips to 625.uk.com*, specifically the section titled BBC - digital means DOGs!
http://625.uk.com/dogwatch/index.htm

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Yep - this was in the immediate BBC Digital launch era when, shock horror, BBC digital channels had DOGs for a brief period and all scorebars were shifted to the right hand side to accomodate the new permabranding. So maybe this game was shown in Wales on BBC1 and nationwide on Choice? I seem to remember it was an evening kickoff, 5pm perhaps.

According to Andrew Wiseman's site, all branding had been discontinued by 30 November. Certainly this example, from 28 November, shows it may have been a little bit before that, as by the time the 'Boks went across the water to Lansdowne Road (*sigh*) the scorebar was back on the left again.


Oh and if anyone wants to see how the innovative "team colours" gfx used by S4C were implemented for international games, see here:

(As is traditional for games played at Stradey, I should say, "I was there.")
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DE88508 posts since 8 Jan 2017
UTV Newsline
Yep - the BBC score bug, apart from being a horrible mishmash of pre- and post- MLN BBC Sport styles, is on the right of the screen.


Of course, it wasn't until April '99 that the Beeb changed the font from Helvetica Bold Italic to Gill Sans Bold. Wink
"Channel 5! The channel that brings you England goals!" -- Jonathan Pearce, 31 May 1997
MY83465 posts since 16 Nov 2016
Also I think the last stand of full-length team names in scorebars. Since then abbreviations and acronyms rule. Was DVB Cornwall in charge or something?

I mean, yeah it's great when Sweden play Denmark but ARL for Arsenal? The Daily Mail won't criticise you for that, BBC.

At least Sky have stopped using just plain old MU for Man Utd and stuck the AN back in.
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DE88508 posts since 8 Jan 2017
UTV Newsline
Also I think the last stand of full-length team names in scorebars. Since then abbreviations and acronyms rule. Was DVB Cornwall in charge or something?


The Beeb were still using full-length team names in October 2001:

"Channel 5! The channel that brings you England goals!" -- Jonathan Pearce, 31 May 1997
Steve Williams2,358 posts since 1 Aug 2008
Yep - the BBC score bug, apart from being a horrible mishmash of pre- and post- MLN BBC Sport styles, is on the right of the screen. I don't remember if this game was shown on BBC One nationwide or just in Wales, but what could be the possible reason for this.

So maybe this game was shown in Wales on BBC1 and nationwide on Choice? I seem to remember it was an evening kickoff, 5pm perhaps.


It was live on network BBC1, a 3pm kick-off - https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbcone/london/1998-11-14#at-12.15

The DOGs were on all BBC channels on digital, including network BBC1, hence the scoreline on the right. I remember them doing that for the Uefa Cup matches they showed in the early part of the season. Quite an interesting period, that, because it was the era when England were live on Sky with highlights on ITV, and also England, Scotland and Ireland were playing qualifiers for the following year's World Cup (Wales qualified automatically as hosts) and ITV showed Scotland's qualifiers live.

At least Sky have stopped using just plain old MU for Man Utd and stuck the AN back in.


But BT use MUN. As mentioned before, the Beeb had a very basic scoreline up until Euro 2000, just the team names in the BBC Sport font. In 2000/01 they experimented loads, it's been mentioned here how they showed Liverpool in every round in their run to the Uefa Cup Final and there was more or less a different scoreline in each match.
thegeek4,506 posts since 1 Jan 2002
London London
I mean, yeah it's great when Sweden play Denmark but ARL for Arsenal? The Daily Mail won't criticise you for that, BBC.

Liverpool v Paris Saint-Germain are playing this evening - UEFA's favoured abbreviation for the latter team being the most obvious, PAR.
Steve Williams2,358 posts since 1 Aug 2008
Liverpool v Paris Saint-Germain are playing this evening - UEFA's favoured abbreviation for the latter team being the most obvious, PAR.


The best abbreviations, or worst, came in the Europa League Final a few years back between Athletic Bilbao and Atletico Madrid - ATH v ATL. Not helped by the commentators referring to "Athletico" throughout.
MY83465 posts since 16 Nov 2016
I mean, yeah it's great when Sweden play Denmark but ARL for Arsenal? The Daily Mail won't criticise you for that, BBC.

Liverpool v Paris Saint-Germain are playing this evening - UEFA's favoured abbreviation for the latter team being the most obvious, PAR.


One would assume if QPR ever made it to Europe they'd be QUE